Patio laying price per m2

[ChrisG89]

Hey,

My patio wasn't laid very well last time round by whoever the previous owner used, it's basically laid on mud, so is coming up. I've had a quote to lift it all up, put hardcore down and re lay the same flags, it's roughly 60m2 and the quote was £1200(materials and labour)

Just wondering if anyone had any idea on wether that's a fair price before I start ringing around for more quotes?

[mikees]

Seems a bargain. What materials? Slate, slabs, granite sets?

Mike

[ChrisG89]

That's using the existing slabs, not sure what they are, sand coloured??

Materials are:

3 tonnes grit sand
5 tonnes hardcore
20 bags of cement
1 midi skip

Thanks

[brianb]

I'd say that's very cheap!

[Shaolin]

Are you sure you mean 60m2?

Those quantities are tiny if you do, exactly what is under there and what will they be doing?

http://www.sandandgraveldirect.co.uk/index.php/cal...

[sleep envy]

ChrisG89 said:

Hey,

My patio wasn't laid very well last time round by whoever the previous owner used, it's basically laid on mud, so is coming up. I've had a quote to lift it all up, put hardcore down and re lay the same flags, it's roughly 60m2 and the quote was £1200(materials and labour)

Just wondering if anyone had any idea on wether that's a fair price before I start ringing around for more quotes?

A fair price?

You can't buy carpet that cheap.

[ChrisG89]

It says 60m2 on the quote, it's a fairly sized patio and a 14x1m path to the decking at the bottom of the garden

I already have the flags, so that price is just for sand, cement and hardcore and labour.

[bigee]

Still very cheap.Have you seen examples of their work before?

[Steffan]

bigee said:

Still very cheap.Have you seen examples of their work before?

Good question. The price is approaching so cheap as to be unusual. If you are confidant they are up to the job then fine, go for it. But as ever make sufficient appropriate enquiries first: all too easy to find out that all that glitters....... Best of luck.

[spikeyhead]

ChrisG89 said:

That's using the existing slabs, not sure what they are, sand coloured??

Materials are:

3 tonnes grit sand
5 tonnes hardcore
20 bags of cement
1 midi skip

Thanks

That's less than 2" of hardcore and an inch of sand. Seems insufficient to my inexperienced eyes.

[Condi]

spikeyhead said:

ChrisG89 said:

That's using the existing slabs, not sure what they are, sand coloured??

Materials are:

3 tonnes grit sand
5 tonnes hardcore
20 bags of cement
1 midi skip

Thanks

That's less than 2" of hardcore and an inch of sand. Seems insufficient to my inexperienced eyes.

Probably about right for a patio. There is no load bearing aspect to it, and so its really just to give a solid base rather than transfer load.

If the OP was thinking of parking cars on it then you would want more depth.

[mikebradford]

i personally wouldnt want to see patio flags laid on only 2"hardcore
but i imagine the existing hardcore will be left insitu, and this is additional to that.

[Steffan]

mikebradford said:

i personally wouldnt want to see patio flags laid on only 2"hardcore
but i imagine the existing hardcore will be left insitu, and this is additional to that.

That is my presumption too. If the OP can get this done with a decent contractor at that price with the slabs properly relaid on bedded hardcore it will be a very economical result. However my concern with the low low price remains. Up to the OP. Thicker hardcore would be better but clearly more expensive. Again up to the OP. since the existing slabs have laid for some time and been used the hardcore underneath should be pretty well bedded by now. Carefully done this is achievable but underpriced IMO hence my concerns.

[C0ffin D0dger]

Seems okay given I spent an entire weekend breaking my back laying 13 square meters. Total cost - mixer hire £28, sand £40, cement £20 = £88

That was laid on a cement bound sand bed of around 4-5cm that was straight onto the ground underneath (Paving Expert website recommendation for domestic patios). Used about 1.25 tonnes of sand and 6 bags of cement.

[TA14]

Steffan said:

mikebradford said:

i imagine the existing hardcore will be left insitu, and this is additional to that.

That is my presumption too. ... since the existing slabs have laid for some time and been used the hardcore underneath should be pretty well bedded by now.

Where's all of this 'existing hardcore' come from?

ChrisG89 said:

My patio wasn't laid very well last time round ... it's basically laid on mud

[shtu]

spikeyhead said:

ChrisG89 said:

That's using the existing slabs, not sure what they are, sand coloured??

Materials are:

3 tonnes grit sand
5 tonnes hardcore
20 bags of cement
1 midi skip

Thanks

That's less than 2" of hardcore and an inch of sand. Seems insufficient to my inexperienced eyes.

With a 4 cubic metre skip for the spoil, less than 3" off the surface over 60 square metres.

The bedding layer should be about 1.5 - 2" on its own, and the subbase is simply "as deep as it needs to be" depending on the ground.

The amounts quoted are about the bare minimum for a domestic patio, with only foot traffic.

as always, pavingexpert gives you the answers. The main thing is that the subbase you are laying onto should be stable. 2" or 2ft, doesn't matter.

http://www.pavingexpert.com/layflag1.htm

I'd be tempted to price up for 4" subbase and 2" bedding layer, see how much of a difference it makes to the cost - probably not much.

[ChrisG89]

Yeah, I can easily lift the flags now, they've been "5 pointed" (I think that's the term anyway), and it looks like mud, with maybe a bit of sand in there.

I've known the lad for years who is doing through friends, seen some of his work through Facebook, looks good on pictures.

Thanks for the replies, I think I'm going to go for it, got to be better than what's currently there!

[TA14]

shtu said:

I'd be tempted to price up for 4" subbase and 2" bedding layer, see how much of a difference it makes to the cost - probably not much.

or perhaps double up the grit sand quantity.

[bigee]

100mm sub base,50mm bedding.Oh and on a full mortar bed,none of this '5 spot' nonsense. Wont realy add much at all to cost so worth doing it right.

[m3jappa]

Will be a total heap of st for that money.

For me 60m2 patio is about 1.5 grabs give or take. 12 tonne mot type one. Around 6 ton sharp, 44 cement or more if I go 75mm which tbh I usually do as I don't like 50mm of muck. Then all the inevitable bits like acos, any other drainage. Any stuff for steps, manholes etc.

It's hard out there still, competing with prices like these. Even if your good you've still got to compete to an extent as the lure of cheap is still too much for so many people, or not even the lure of cheap it's the price comparison.

When I start saying stuff like ten tonne of this thirty tonne of that some people genuinely think I'm lying.

But then mine last indefinitely