Dog & Neighbour Issues
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InitialDave said:
when ... the neighbour doesn't write a note about the barking, give him one of the treats. If he does write a note, give him a sharp tap on the nose and reinforce it with a firm "NO!" (do this immediately, so he properly associates the negative response with his action).
Try this - your neighbour is plainly the one who needs training!Quotes removed.
I think he was being sarcastic, in terms of "why not ask the neighbour which of the following solutions they would prefer?" Or not.
For about 2 years we had a rental property next door and a young lady moved in with a small dog. I never heard it bark, but my wife went around to let the lady know that it barks all day. Not bothering her, but just wanted her to know. After the end of her tenancy she moved back to her parents, as her mum would look after the dog in the day. Now that is sad. Letting a dog change your life for the worse.
Our dog doesn't bark much. But if we were leaving him all day, I'd be taking him for a long walk very early in the morning.
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Quotes removed.
I think he was being sarcastic, in terms of "why not ask the neighbour which of the following solutions they would prefer?" Or not.
For about 2 years we had a rental property next door and a young lady moved in with a small dog. I never heard it bark, but my wife went around to let the lady know that it barks all day. Not bothering her, but just wanted her to know. After the end of her tenancy she moved back to her parents, as her mum would look after the dog in the day. Now that is sad. Letting a dog change your life for the worse.
Our dog doesn't bark much. But if we were leaving him all day, I'd be taking him for a long walk very early in the morning.
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Edited by Big Al. on Monday 28th July 18:01
barmonkey said:
A bit of a long winded story this but hoping the PH experts can offer some pointers.
I am at my wits end now and have no idea what to do; if he does report us to the council I am pretty sure that they would not find much against us as the dog is well fed, healthy, exercised regularly, vaccinated, given flea and worm treatments and is well socialised. The house is tidy, it has plenty of room to roam about, a comfy bed and plenty of water. Nevertheless I am bothered that he is going to land us in hot water over what is really a triviality.
I was wondering if any PH experts can advise on a) what we can expect if he does report us and b) whether there is anything we can legally do to get him to sod off and leave us in peace. Any help would be much appreciated.
I don't see that he really has any real grounds for complaint, dogs bark.I am at my wits end now and have no idea what to do; if he does report us to the council I am pretty sure that they would not find much against us as the dog is well fed, healthy, exercised regularly, vaccinated, given flea and worm treatments and is well socialised. The house is tidy, it has plenty of room to roam about, a comfy bed and plenty of water. Nevertheless I am bothered that he is going to land us in hot water over what is really a triviality.
I was wondering if any PH experts can advise on a) what we can expect if he does report us and b) whether there is anything we can legally do to get him to sod off and leave us in peace. Any help would be much appreciated.
However you do have grounds to complain because of all the harassment he is subjecting you too which normal people do not do.
In your shoes I would report _him_ to the local council anti-social behaviour team for harassment.
barmonkey said:
A bit of a long winded story this but hoping the PH experts can offer some pointers.
I am at my wits end now and have no idea what to do; if he does report us to the council I am pretty sure that they would not find much against us as the dog is well fed, healthy, exercised regularly, vaccinated, given flea and worm treatments and is well socialised. The house is tidy, it has plenty of room to roam about, a comfy bed and plenty of water. Nevertheless I am bothered that he is going to land us in hot water over what is really a triviality.
I was wondering if any PH experts can advise on a) what we can expect if he does report us and b) whether there is anything we can legally do to get him to sod off and leave us in peace. Any help would be much appreciated.
I rather think you are missing the point. Your neighbour isn't complaining that you mistreat the dog or keep it in bad conditions. He is complaining about the noise. To you it might be trivial (after all you are not in when the barking happens). To your neighbour, and probably to a lot of other people, it is a nuisance which has gone on regularly and far too long.I am at my wits end now and have no idea what to do; if he does report us to the council I am pretty sure that they would not find much against us as the dog is well fed, healthy, exercised regularly, vaccinated, given flea and worm treatments and is well socialised. The house is tidy, it has plenty of room to roam about, a comfy bed and plenty of water. Nevertheless I am bothered that he is going to land us in hot water over what is really a triviality.
I was wondering if any PH experts can advise on a) what we can expect if he does report us and b) whether there is anything we can legally do to get him to sod off and leave us in peace. Any help would be much appreciated.
You've already said that you've had complaints when the dog wasn't even there - sounds like our next door neighbour. The people the other side of him have a dog, which does bark from time to time. However, our neighbour has got so worked up about this that if he hears any dog barking anywhere around, he assumes it's their's. Threats of RSPCA etc etc etc.
He is, however, a t
t who is regularly half cut by mid-afternoon and ironically his bark is much worse than his bite, so everyone just ignores him.
(He has complaints about everyone else in the area too. He complains about me as I start my motorbike the same time every morning - 8:25. Not that it's too early or too loud, that it's the same time!)
He is, however, a t
t who is regularly half cut by mid-afternoon and ironically his bark is much worse than his bite, so everyone just ignores him. (He has complaints about everyone else in the area too. He complains about me as I start my motorbike the same time every morning - 8:25. Not that it's too early or too loud, that it's the same time!)
After what sounds like almost a year I'd be pretty pissed off - it isn't your neighbours problem it's as plain and simple as that.
I do get that a dog isn't something that can be switched on and off but think of it this way, if your neighbours went out at random times and decided to leave the stereo on really fking loud would that be OK?
I rather suspect not but somehow the fact it's a cute little fwuffy wuffy doggy (and don't get me wrong I like dogs) makes it OK?
I do get that a dog isn't something that can be switched on and off but think of it this way, if your neighbours went out at random times and decided to leave the stereo on really f
king loud would that be OK?I rather suspect not but somehow the fact it's a cute little fwuffy wuffy doggy (and don't get me wrong I like dogs) makes it OK?
We have a noisy dog near us. The owners built a kennel which the dog stays in during the day alone in the garden. It barks and barks. Tell it to shut up - it does!
Even with this going on - I wouldn't expect my neighbors to bh at me about noise levels of things I do i.e. if I want music on in the garden. Its about being reasonable - you've got to expect that living in an area with lots of houses around that there is going to be noise. Children playing, dogs barking, music, car engines etc.
If you want peace and quiet move to the countryside.
Even with this going on - I wouldn't expect my neighbors to b
h at me about noise levels of things I do i.e. if I want music on in the garden. Its about being reasonable - you've got to expect that living in an area with lots of houses around that there is going to be noise. Children playing, dogs barking, music, car engines etc.If you want peace and quiet move to the countryside.
Efbe said:
Blah blah blah, excuses.
You are certainly not capable of training it as you have not managed to do so so far.
I have a dog, yet still I really feel for your neighbours. Several months of a dog barking continuously would drive me mad. I honestly can't believe how patient they have been.
Is it constant though?You are certainly not capable of training it as you have not managed to do so so far.
I have a dog, yet still I really feel for your neighbours. Several months of a dog barking continuously would drive me mad. I honestly can't believe how patient they have been.
My best friend had this problem, her neighbours moaning about constant barking from her dogs.
Few weeks ago when she was out and I got back before her, before letting myself in I sat outside in my car, windows down with the car turned off for 30 minutes. Didn't hear a peep from either dog, heard other dogs barking down the road, but not my friends dogs.
It wasn't until I got to the door and put the key in that they barked a little.
OP, my friend leaves the radio on and has also been suggested putting a old jumper or something with your smell on. I don't know if you have tried these? She also feeds them as she leaves as they tend to fall asleep after.
If the op really thinks he can train his dog, here's a plan.
He has had eleven months, so agree that if the dog isn't trained in the next three months, it goes. That should provide a framework for a truce and concentrate minds. Let's face it, if the dog isn't trained after 14 months, it's not going to be.
He has had eleven months, so agree that if the dog isn't trained in the next three months, it goes. That should provide a framework for a truce and concentrate minds. Let's face it, if the dog isn't trained after 14 months, it's not going to be.
next door neighbour left dog outside when at work. dog barked constantly.
I used one of these
http://www.primrose.co.uk/scatter-gun-bark-control...
to train doggy that barking hurts its ears, had it sorted in one week.
My other neighbours are most pleased.
I used one of these
http://www.primrose.co.uk/scatter-gun-bark-control...
to train doggy that barking hurts its ears, had it sorted in one week.
My other neighbours are most pleased.
Martin4x4 said:
I don't see that he really has any real grounds for complaint, dogs bark.
However you do have grounds to complain because of all the harassment he is subjecting you too which normal people do not do.
In your shoes I would report _him_ to the local council anti-social behaviour team for harassment.
Really? I would love to be a fly on the wall when you go into the council with that one... "my dog has been barking at all hours for 11 months and my neighbor keeps telling me it is annoying"However you do have grounds to complain because of all the harassment he is subjecting you too which normal people do not do.
In your shoes I would report _him_ to the local council anti-social behaviour team for harassment.
Can you please point me to these grounds for complaint? Sounds like you are just making it up - is there a section 31.a-2 that states "I am annoying my neighbour and he is complaining about it, please arrest him and take his first born"?
To keep things PH - both my current and previous car have had silly loud exhausts (and lets be honest, a decent engine note sounds far better than a noisy dog), I never get complaints from my neighbors because I realise that a 6-cylnder wakeup call might not be their cup of tea, so I act accordingly and keep the revs down - its called being considerate - I have trained my right foot not to misbehave until it is acceptable to
Yes dogs bark. If you live in close proximity to others who maybe don't like dogs barking constantly (and going by the comments on here, including those from dog lovers, most don't) then you train it not to bark or get rid - easy.
nipsips said:
We have a noisy dog near us. The owners built a kennel which the dog stays in during the day alone in the garden. It barks and barks. Tell it to shut up - it does!
Even with this going on - I wouldn't expect my neighbors to bh at me about noise levels of things I do i.e. if I want music on in the garden. Its about being reasonable - you've got to expect that living in an area with lots of houses around that there is going to be noise. Children playing, dogs barking, music, car engines etc.
If you want peace and quiet move to the countryside.
That's the thing, OP's neighbours seemingly left it at least 2 weeks before posting a letter through asking them to do something about it, which was apparently met with platitudes of how the dog was being trained. 11 months later and "bear with us, we're training it" understandably doesn't carry much weight.Even with this going on - I wouldn't expect my neighbors to b
h at me about noise levels of things I do i.e. if I want music on in the garden. Its about being reasonable - you've got to expect that living in an area with lots of houses around that there is going to be noise. Children playing, dogs barking, music, car engines etc.If you want peace and quiet move to the countryside.
Dogs barking is in my personal experience a great deal worse than noise from TVs or music or whatever. It seems to penetrate walls so much more easily. Whilst I quite like dogs I think it's unfair for us to simply consider that the OP's perfunctory efforts to train his dog not to bark when left alone as sufficient. Why should the neighbour have to put up with this laissez-faire attitude to dog training?
9mm said:
If the op really thinks he can train his dog, here's a plan.
He has had eleven months, so agree that if the dog isn't trained in the next three months, it goes. That should provide a framework for a truce and concentrate minds. Let's face it, if the dog isn't trained after 14 months, it's not going to be.
I'd wager that the OP hasn't really tried too hard to train the dog, moreover has simply hoped that the neighbour's complaint will just go away of its own accord or that they will simply suck it up. 11 months is more than enough time to have trained it if one was actually focused (or bothered) about doing it imo.He has had eleven months, so agree that if the dog isn't trained in the next three months, it goes. That should provide a framework for a truce and concentrate minds. Let's face it, if the dog isn't trained after 14 months, it's not going to be.
Edited by Durzel on Monday 28th July 12:13
Efbe said:
TurricanII said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
You cause neighbour problems, you delude yourself that you are being reasonable, you deny your neighbours' right to be peeved, you minimise the issue, you focus on your inconvenience and hurt feelings and make out you are the victim, you trot out the classic NFH line of 'we are working hard to resolve it', then finally you blame your neighbour for preventing you resolving it.
ASTOUNDING!
A superb summary!ASTOUNDING!
People who live above me - in a flat - have got 3 dogs. Whenever they go out, they're barking and howling at the windows. At midnight every day, he takes them in to the (shared) garden to crap everywhere and try to escape, which results in him or his wife screeching at them to get back here now. Then there's the haring around on laminate flooring upstairs leading to permanent tippy-tappy noises coming through the ceiling. When one dog dies, they replace with another, which then needs training not to piss in the commmunal hallway etc. It's been over ten years and they are extremely ignorant and refuse to believe there's a problem with the dogs.
Nobody else has got dogs in the building - just these two morons. A 1 bedroom flat with 3 dogs. One a giant poodle, one a 9 month old cocker. It can't be good for the dogs.
Putting up with other people's dogs is very difficult. The problem is, IMO, a lot of dog owners don't see why some people don't like dogs.
"He'll lick you to death." Er, I don't want to be licked by your animal in the first place thanks...
Nobody else has got dogs in the building - just these two morons. A 1 bedroom flat with 3 dogs. One a giant poodle, one a 9 month old cocker. It can't be good for the dogs.
Putting up with other people's dogs is very difficult. The problem is, IMO, a lot of dog owners don't see why some people don't like dogs.
"He'll lick you to death." Er, I don't want to be licked by your animal in the first place thanks...
As I write this I have my iPod on at reasonable volume, yet I can still hear my neighbours dog barking.
It's owner left for work at 7am, it woke me at 7.15. It will now bark constantly until she gets home at 2. If she's on a late shift it starts midday and stops around 10.30pm when she gets in. I've had this for FIVE years. I've called her and asked her to come home for three new years eves running because it's still going at 2am and she's out at a party.
I can't sit quietly and read a book, I can't watch TV at a low volume, I can't sit and concentrate on any work because my background noise is yap yap yap.
Until you live with it you don't realise just how disruptive, repetitive and annoying it is. She's supposedly tried a few things from citronella collars to caging it, but it needs more than that. At this point I think she's just happy to ignore the fact it barks up a storm when she leaves.
I have every sympathy for your neighbours I'm afraid.
It's owner left for work at 7am, it woke me at 7.15. It will now bark constantly until she gets home at 2. If she's on a late shift it starts midday and stops around 10.30pm when she gets in. I've had this for FIVE years. I've called her and asked her to come home for three new years eves running because it's still going at 2am and she's out at a party.
I can't sit quietly and read a book, I can't watch TV at a low volume, I can't sit and concentrate on any work because my background noise is yap yap yap.
Until you live with it you don't realise just how disruptive, repetitive and annoying it is. She's supposedly tried a few things from citronella collars to caging it, but it needs more than that. At this point I think she's just happy to ignore the fact it barks up a storm when she leaves.
I have every sympathy for your neighbours I'm afraid.
Funny how dogs polarize opinion isn't it?
Don't quote me on this i.e. get in touch with your local council.
Neighbour should contact Environment Health Department of your local authority-Police won't be interested unless it's 'dangerous'. RSPCA won't be interested unless it's being mistreated.
Expect letter from the council outlining Environmental stuff-they'll likely say speak to the neighbour or offer other advice.
I suspect if the neighbour continues to complain it could end up down this route (quoted environmental protection act).
I have a dog he's not a barker though, next door neighbours dog is a right little yap however it's not out for any length of time. Hope you get sorted.
Environmental Protection Act 1990
However, if this doesn’t work, then it can lead to a Statutory Notice under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 being served upon the owner. This is a legal procedure which gives the owner around 21 days in which to resolve the issue. The Environmental Health Officer will do this on your behalf. If the problem hasn’t been resolved after that point, the owner can incur financial penalties and, as a last resort, the Act does have a provision whereby it can take away the dog from the owner.
In most cases, problem barking is caused by either neglect or, more commonly, because of insufficient training, so if you keep a dog yourself, be sure that it is trained properly in order not to become a nuisance. There is plenty of advice on the internet to help you with that, or you could get your dog enrolled in proper training and obedience classes.
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Don't quote me on this i.e. get in touch with your local council.
Neighbour should contact Environment Health Department of your local authority-Police won't be interested unless it's 'dangerous'. RSPCA won't be interested unless it's being mistreated.
Expect letter from the council outlining Environmental stuff-they'll likely say speak to the neighbour or offer other advice.
I suspect if the neighbour continues to complain it could end up down this route (quoted environmental protection act).
I have a dog he's not a barker though, next door neighbours dog is a right little yap however it's not out for any length of time. Hope you get sorted.
Environmental Protection Act 1990
However, if this doesn’t work, then it can lead to a Statutory Notice under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 being served upon the owner. This is a legal procedure which gives the owner around 21 days in which to resolve the issue. The Environmental Health Officer will do this on your behalf. If the problem hasn’t been resolved after that point, the owner can incur financial penalties and, as a last resort, the Act does have a provision whereby it can take away the dog from the owner.
In most cases, problem barking is caused by either neglect or, more commonly, because of insufficient training, so if you keep a dog yourself, be sure that it is trained properly in order not to become a nuisance. There is plenty of advice on the internet to help you with that, or you could get your dog enrolled in proper training and obedience classes.
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Edited by a311 on Monday 28th July 15:05
OpulentBob said:
People who live above me - in a flat - have got 3 dogs. Whenever they go out, they're barking and howling at the windows. At midnight every day, he takes them in to the (shared) garden to crap everywhere and try to escape, which results in him or his wife screeching at them to get back here now. Then there's the haring around on laminate flooring upstairs leading to permanent tippy-tappy noises coming through the ceiling. When one dog dies, they replace with another, which then needs training not to piss in the commmunal hallway etc. It's been over ten years and they are extremely ignorant and refuse to believe there's a problem with the dogs.
Nobody else has got dogs in the building - just these two morons. A 1 bedroom flat with 3 dogs. One a giant poodle, one a 9 month old cocker. It can't be good for the dogs.
Putting up with other people's dogs is very difficult. The problem is, IMO, a lot of dog owners don't see why some people don't like dogs.
"He'll lick you to death." Er, I don't want to be licked by your animal in the first place thanks...
You have put up with this for 10 years? Nobody else has got dogs in the building - just these two morons. A 1 bedroom flat with 3 dogs. One a giant poodle, one a 9 month old cocker. It can't be good for the dogs.
Putting up with other people's dogs is very difficult. The problem is, IMO, a lot of dog owners don't see why some people don't like dogs.
"He'll lick you to death." Er, I don't want to be licked by your animal in the first place thanks...
Are they allowed to use the shared garden for a dog toilet.
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