sequential gearbox's

[77racing]

are to be outlawed in DTEC next year so I have just been told. How long has that been decided ? which left me wondering where I would race my Tuscan. I have a sequential just because I can also I would have a problem finding a reliable alternative regular H pattern to put in my car. Having spoke to JR it seams I will be ok as these gearboxes are allowed in A+ but no other class. Just wondering if any other A+ cars will be coming out in DETEC in the future.

[tbdgriff500]

hi Perry, I had a chat with John at Snet and he said nothing was definite at the moment and that we will have a drivers meeting at Oulton to discuss it, but as I understand it John wants to see Class A back to original spec tuscans without aero and sequentials, which I fully agree with. I will probably keep the sequential and just run in A+ next year and probably add aero and a roof, it won't stop you racing you just won't score points in A. so with me Deano and you that's A+ started for next season, anymore!!

[Jetblackonetenth]

It needs more drivers to commit to A+ then it may encourage more to join. That is assuming that people want A+ cars running in the DTEC as I believe there are some people who would like to see original AJP tuscans the top class in the series.

[NTEL]

I've got 2 T5s for sale if you want to revert back

[bill tvr]

Are you with us then perry?

[77racing]

Good morning chaps,

Bill I have never not been with you, I post here on this forum to keep it ticking along, keep in touch and fly the race TVR flag where ever and have a great passion for racing TVR and Tuscans in particular as you all know. Hence having the choice of "B" with my closely to original Rover car or as it turns out "A+" with the chevrolet. Debbie and I were made to feel un comfortable by a couple of people a few seasons ago as a result we decided to race else where for a change. Nothing against DETEC. I have raced the Rover in the Future Classic's series for a few years now only because the grids are exciting, 35+ cars as a minimum and I really enjoy the enforced pit stop which includes the whole team of people who come to the races with us. They enjoy the racing more as they are actively involved in the race outcome. In a good pit stop you can make up several seconds on track over other cars if your team have a mind to get good at it. Group "B" has been lacking cars as we know, I could bring mine out but there are few original 4.5lt B Tuscans to race on a level playing ground so I here people when they get disenchanted they are racing an un equal car in there class . Where are all the cars that were spoke of back in the off season.

Four years ago when we started racing in DETEC it was the other way round and "A" could barely get four cars to enter. Now a days the grid for A is pretty good and as a result the racing is making people really excited as it should and will do when you can have a great race no matter where you are on track. That in my opinion is due to having cars on track.

I am not, I admit, old school and as such I want to make myself and my car as fast as they can be that for me is what racing is all about. I have been really enjoying making my car fast and love adding to it mechanically and with aero which as a lot of people will tell you doesn't work on a Tuscan. I'm proud of the fact I have kept the Tuscan DNA in my car, chassis body work etc.I whole heartedly agree that heavily altered cars such as mine should race in a separate class.It is up to me to make my car as competitive as I can against the Sagaris. Some would say I am wasting my time and money trying to compete with state of the art modern Sagaris race cars. Not been funny I'm tooooo old to take this seriously, maybe 35 years ago this would be a different story .For the original Tuscans,what I would like to see is Rover 4.5 only in "B" and AJP 4.5 in "A" standard with T5 as they were raced in the day. It's no good saying you want Tuscans to be as they were then let 5.2 Rovers race in B and 4.7 race in A they are modified from original and if the thinking carry's on they should race in A+ along with the rest of the non standard cars. lets face it we all know that a 5.2 Rover on TB's and coil packs is way ahead of a 4.5 on dellorto's performance wise and we all know a 4.7 AJP is a lot more powerfull than a standard in the day 4.5 AJP not to mention the advantages to gearbox's other than the original world class T5.I'm only saying this as my personal thoughts and I'm not saying what there is, is not ok it works as it is and there are some cars on track. It is simple for me as I am well and truly in A+ with my car and will carry on having so much fun, making it faster and faster.

Hope to see you all at Anglesey , I'll be billy no mates in A+ but rest assured I will have a massive grin on my face under the helmet with my 8.9lts 865bhp and you never know I may fit a super charger for the weekend.

[jimtbg]

Perry I will be there in my 4.5 standard tuscan with a big smile under my helmet hope to see you famlily and freinds Dean will be with you in A+

[bill tvr]

77racing said:

Good morning chaps,

Bill I have never not been with you, I post here on this forum to keep it ticking along, keep in touch and fly the race TVR flag where ever and have a great passion for racing TVR and Tuscans in particular as you all know. Hence having the choice of "B" with my closely to original Rover car or as it turns out "A+" with the chevrolet. Debbie and I were made to feel un comfortable by a couple of people a few seasons ago as a result we decided to race else where for a change. Nothing against DETEC. I have raced the Rover in the Future Classic's series for a few years now only because the grids are exciting, 35+ cars as a minimum and I really enjoy the enforced pit stop which includes the whole team of people who come to the races with us. They enjoy the racing more as they are actively involved in the race outcome. In a good pit stop you can make up several seconds on track over other cars if your team have a mind to get good at it. Group "B" has been lacking cars as we know, I could bring mine out but there are few original 4.5lt B Tuscans to race on a level playing ground so I here people when they get disenchanted they are racing an un equal car in there class . Where are all the cars that were spoke of back in the off season.

Four years ago when we started racing in DETEC it was the other way round and "A" could barely get four cars to enter. Now a days the grid for A is pretty good and as a result the racing is making people really excited as it should and will do when you can have a great race no matter where you are on track. That in my opinion is due to having cars on track.

I am not, I admit, old school and as such I want to make myself and my car as fast as they can be that for me is what racing is all about. I have been really enjoying making my car fast and love adding to it mechanically and with aero which as a lot of people will tell you doesn't work on a Tuscan. I'm proud of the fact I have kept the Tuscan DNA in my car, chassis body work etc.I whole heartedly agree that heavily altered cars such as mine should race in a separate class.It is up to me to make my car as competitive as I can against the Sagaris. Some would say I am wasting my time and money trying to compete with state of the art modern Sagaris race cars. Not been funny I'm tooooo old to take this seriously, maybe 35 years ago this would be a different story .For the original Tuscans,what I would like to see is Rover 4.5 only in "B" and AJP 4.5 in "A" standard with T5 as they were raced in the day. It's no good saying you want Tuscans to be as they were then let 5.2 Rovers race in B and 4.7 race in A they are modified from original and if the thinking carry's on they should race in A+ along with the rest of the non standard cars. lets face it we all know that a 5.2 Rover on TB's and coil packs is way ahead of a 4.5 on dellorto's performance wise and we all know a 4.7 AJP is a lot more powerfull than a standard in the day 4.5 AJP not to mention the advantages to gearbox's other than the original world class T5.I'm only saying this as my personal thoughts and I'm not saying what there is, is not ok it works as it is and there are some cars on track. It is simple for me as I am well and truly in A+ with my car and will carry on having so much fun, making it faster and faster.

Hope to see you all at Anglesey , I'll be billy no mates in A+ but rest assured I will have a massive grin on my face under the helmet with my 8.9lts 865bhp and you never know I may fit a super charger for the weekend.

Perry I agree with all you say ,we both started in DETC at the same time , and I m as passionate as the rest . In my opinion I have not heard any thing bad said about you and this is my third season in the tuscan . Myself and Catherine will certainly make you feel welcome and I'm sure that goes for all the racers we know
See you at Anglesy

[tbdgriff500]

Perry, looking forward to being on track with you again, I'm sure that some of us will give you a run for your money!!

[Graham]

I should be out with my 5ltr tuscan, with its road car based engine, without any of the exotic crank,rods, pistons, flywheels etc found in the full race 4.5 tuscan engine :wink:

It does have itbs rather than carbs though as i understand how they work lol

G

[77racing]

Looking forward to seeing you all on the island

[Guillotine]

About time...

[ridgey]

So in theory A+ could include
Me
Jason
Christian
Matt
Mark
Tim
+ all the Sags and Cerbs and Perry

[77racing]

It's a mine field with one rule for one but not for another, very difficult to sort.

[YRRunner]

I understand that there has to be fixed rules in each class, but how far up the scale will this go? A++, A+++??? From a personal point of view I'm just out there wanting to take part and learn. I'm not going to be chasing trophies or championships anytime soon, if ever, (if I wanted to, I'd have bought a Taz and gone into C), but I can't help feeling that it's unfair for say Tim, who has a sequential but no aero and no 4.7. He would not be able to compete for the championship against Sags with LS lumps and equally matched drivers. Now Tim would probably revert to a T5 and challenge again in A, or have to invest heavily in some top kit in order to compete in A+ (and I don't mean just aero on a Tuscan, coz we all know that's not enough . A difficult one to sort out fairly. It will make for great, even playing field racing in A though. Like the old days, all about the drivers.

[RetroWheels]

Will be good to see you Perry

[Jetblackonetenth]

YRRunner said:

I understand that there has to be fixed rules in each class, but how far up the scale will this go? A++, A+++??? From a personal point of view I'm just out there wanting to take part and learn. I'm not going to be chasing trophies or championships anytime soon, if ever, (if I wanted to, I'd have bought a Taz and gone into C), but I can't help feeling that it's unfair for say Tim, who has a sequential but no aero and no 4.7. He would not be able to compete for the championship against Sags with LS lumps and equally matched drivers. Now Tim would probably revert to a T5 and challenge again in A, or have to invest heavily in some top kit in order to compete in A+ (and I don't mean just aero on a Tuscan, coz we all know that's not enough . A difficult one to sort out fairly. It will make for great, even playing field racing in A though. Like the old days, all about the drivers.

I agree Class A should be strictly std cars as per the old Tuscan Challenge. However A+ is a whole big bag of variables we know from our last outing at silverstone that Darren in a 4.7 AJP sag was not able to compete with Tim in a LS Sag but we also know that the LS sag without the paddle shift working was not able to compete with a 458 Ferrari an a McLaren MP4 12C. But if you want to see how fast a unrestricted TVR can go is the DTEC the right place to find out?

[GlynnsportRacing]

YRRunner said:

I understand that there has to be fixed rules in each class, but how far up the scale will this go? A++, A+++??? From a personal point of view I'm just out there wanting to take part and learn. I'm not going to be chasing trophies or championships anytime soon, if ever, (if I wanted to, I'd have bought a Taz and gone into C), but I can't help feeling that it's unfair for say Tim, who has a sequential but no aero and no 4.7. He would not be able to compete for the championship against Sags with LS lumps and equally matched drivers. Now Tim would probably revert to a T5 and challenge again in A, or have to invest heavily in some top kit in order to compete in A+ (and I don't mean just aero on a Tuscan, coz we all know that's not enough . A difficult one to sort out fairly. It will make for great, even playing field racing in A though. Like the old days, all about the drivers.

This is where it can get somewhat complicated as the majority of the Sags have different packages. First of all, most of them (but not all) are based on a Tuscan Challenge chassis. The engines choices vary a lot, For example the ones currently racing in the UK (all Tuscan Challenge chassis based) are Dean's red one - a standard 4.5ltr AJP, my purple one - Chevy LS2, Darren's orange one - 4.7ltr AJP & Tim's yellow one - chevy LS7. Added to that, they all weigh differing amounts from one another (although they are substantially heavier than a Tuscan) and by definition of their engine choices, all have different BHP's. Comparing them with one another is therefore not easy.

In my veiw, it makes sense to have class A as unfettled cars which presumably means mostly AJP engined Tuscans and anything over that can play in A+ simply to have fun as there will be substantial performance differences. The alternative is to race elsewhere from DTEC in Series that you believe gives you a relatively level playing field for your car. It is great though on the odd occasion where we can all come together and put on a fantastic TVR grid!
Steve

[Graham]

The trouble with restricting A to purely AJP tuscans would be where do you put a road car conversion. they could have more weight and less power than an ajp tuscan but over class B limit. if you put them in A+ they would be up against fully modified skys the limit cars..

maybe its time for a p/w limit in A too, base A on the performance of a stock ajp tuscan, anything over that a+


it is a difficult balance, and you need to manage the cars that you have and the cars you potentially have. although imho the potential cars never seem to arrive after a rule change for them lol


I think ultimately we're always going to need more classes to make things balanced with the huge variety of cars we have that could compete, the trouble is if you did break the classes down youd end up with 1 car in each class and 20 classes!! realistically you need a minimum of say 6 cars in a class

so there is always going to be a compromise, and potentially 1 type of car having an advantage in each class. you either run one of the, or run the car you want to and have to work a bit harder to compete...

whatever the outcome I would always caution against a rule change that could lead to us loosing exiting competitors in favour of someone non existent car that might turn up..

[Guillotine]

Havnt we just run out of race ajps...?

just sayin'