RE: TVR Sagaris: PH Carpool

RE: TVR Sagaris: PH Carpool

Monday 28th July 2014

TVR Sagaris: PH Carpool

TVRs too temperamental for intensive use? Rubbish says a man who's put over 100,000 hard miles on his Sagaris



Name: Jasper Gilder
Car: TVR Sagaris
Owned since: 2007
Previously owned: "Two TVR wedges (one supercharged), four Griffiths and two Cerbera 4.5s."

Predictable choice, given ownership history!
Predictable choice, given ownership history!
Why I bought it:
"My last 4.5 Cerb had developed an unhealthy liking for the men with the spanners so it was time to change. TVR was still just making cars and after a lot of time on the net and the phone I found a dealer demonstrator with 10K miles. I thought the Sagaris styling was brilliant and when I drove one I realised just what a step up it was over the Cerbera, especially in the handling department. I must like it as it has now done 138,000 miles."

What I wish I'd known:
"That the '05 engine spec upgrade on the S6 engine had sorted most of the problems - so I was apprehensive. I was reassured by people at the factory that all would be well, but I would have worried less. I really wish I'd realised how vulnerable the undertray beneath the front numberplate is as I would have got one of the stainless steel skidplates fitted. That's a job to be done over the winter after the hole has been filled up!"

This is one well-travelled Sagaris
This is one well-travelled Sagaris
Things I love:
"It's so rare that no-one knows what it is. I do a lot of work with prestige car clubs and they all love it (it once sprouted Ferrari badges on a FOC Tour). The rasp of the exhaust and the way it echoes off anything solid you happen to be passing. It's a good way of getting to meet people as everyone is curious. You can also get a lot of baggage in it. Then there's the handling - you'd have to be a lunatic to unstick it in the dry and with smooth driving on smooth roads it's just awesome."

Things I hate:
"In winter it takes an age for the oil to warm up - my record is all the way from London to Manchester! I hate the mileage it shows as I'm in no way ready to sell it. There seems to be no easy spot for a CD changer and it doesn't have Bluetooth so I need a radio upgrade - but then it wouldn't be original and it is one of the first cars that were all lined up outside the factory. The one real hate, however, is that graunching noise when you realise you haven't noticed a pothole or a big bump in the road. It doesn't happen often and you just have to get used to the idea that it will ground out a bit."

Stroppy, fragile, unreliable? None of the above
Stroppy, fragile, unreliable? None of the above
Costs:
"Other than servicing, it has had a new passenger door window motor, quite a few oil pressure senders. Clutch at 67,000 miles, diff rebuild at about 90K. At 100K we skimmed the front discs which needed new pads as a result although the old ones were only half worn. This year the power steering packed up on a Monday evening and I was due to lead the TVR Spain Tour on the Wednesday! I get all my work done at Central TVR in Stourbridge and turned up on the Tuesday morning at 9:00am and by 6:00pm I was on my way to Portsmouth with a freshly reconditioned rack which was done while I waited. Brilliant! Interestingly they only reset tappets every 24,000 miles instead of the usual 12,000..."

Where I've been:
"It's done over 20 Tours of Spain and Portugal with Drive Espana which I run, several track days at Guadix and it's a regular sight on the Portsmouth ferry. A few years ago at a big Ferrari meet at Silverstone someone posted a wonderful photo of it taken through the rear wing of an F40 - it was on PH for a while but sadly disappeared. Highlight of this year was the May run into Santander with Superdeportivos Cantabria which is a big Spanish Supercar meet every Spring. The Police closed the roads and urged us all (over 100 cars) to go flat out. There was only one TVR and there are pictures on the SDC website. The rest of the time it is used as my daily driver for my training business so it goes to a lot of industrial estates."

Many miles covered, many more to come
Many miles covered, many more to come
What next?
"I hope my wife isn't reading this as I have no real plans to sell it - I've been promising it a front end respray for a while and I guess Dom Trickett will be looking at the engine at some stage, but its oil pressure and oil and fuel consumption are just the same as when it was 20,000 miles old so we'll see. Eventually I guess I'll get something extra. DB9s look like good value and so do Corvettes. But then again Les Edgar may surprise us all."

 

 



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louismchuge

Original Poster:

1,628 posts

184 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Heroic!

em177

3,131 posts

164 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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bow

jamieduff1981

8,024 posts

140 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Well done that man smile

chris watton

22,477 posts

260 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Brilliant!

Enjoyed reading that.

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MyCC

337 posts

157 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Fabulous looking thing and much respect to you for using it in the manner in which it was built for!

Regards,

MyCC.

JDMDrifter

4,040 posts

165 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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The jealousy is strong on this one! What a lovely car, that's used properly biggrin

OwenK

3,472 posts

195 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Good. It's a car, not a trophy!
Looks fabulous. Driving tours sound fun too... I'm in the wrong game...

Amirhussain

11,487 posts

163 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Is the Sagaris the daddy of all TVRs?

monthefish

20,441 posts

231 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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article sub header said:
"TVRs too temperamental for intensive use? Rubbish says a man who..."
first line by the same man said:
"My last 4.5 Cerb had developed an unhealthy liking for the men with the spanners..."
rofl You really don't help the TVR cause, do you PH?

smilo996

2,783 posts

170 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Great story and a really unique looking car.

Boydie88

3,283 posts

149 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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128,000 miles in 7 years... bow

Just incredible. What a purchase and I imagine it can't have lost too much of it's purchase price despite the mileage.

dublet

283 posts

211 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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I'm sure I saw one driving around London yesterday in black. Looked very epic. Really nice cars these.

timmeh2k

80 posts

152 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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You sir are a f**king hero! so much respect for giving it some real use

Mannginger

9,059 posts

257 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Great Carpool and wonderful car!

dukebox9reg

1,570 posts

148 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Slightly off topic, was there a show in or near Silverstone this week? Driving from MK Back to Banbury there was a convey of TVRs with a couple of Sagaris's, T350's and Cerbera's. The Cerbera following at the rear sounded epic. Also what looked like an original GT40 and loads of other cracking metal.

Impressed with the mileage. Guess shows not all TVRs deserve getting branded with the same unreliability label.

Can't imagine many cars at this level would have required that little over that time.


robinandcamera

265 posts

180 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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dukebox9reg said:
Slightly off topic, was there a show in or near Silverstone this week? Driving from MK Back to Banbury there was a convey of TVRs with a couple of Sagaris's, T350's and Cerbera's. The Cerbera following at the rear sounded epic. Also what looked like an original GT40 and loads of other cracking metal.

Impressed with the mileage. Guess shows not all TVRs deserve getting branded with the same unreliability label.

Can't imagine many cars at this level would have required that little over that time.
That will have been the Silverstone Classic wink

What a great day out it was Sunday.

soad

32,882 posts

176 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Simply brilliant!

TimS2000

452 posts

207 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Now this is a proper carpool, not like 90% of them where they've only been owned 4 months and are still in the honeymoon period.

Beautiful car, great to see it used properly smile

0llie

3,007 posts

196 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Absolutely brilliant, I hope it continues to look after you.

What's one of these worth with those sort of miles on? Genuine question.

dlockhart

434 posts

172 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Is a diff rebuild a common thing or is it fairly unique to this owner?

this man has balls because
1.) he bought a tvr at the stage the company was in trouble
2.) hes done approx. 20k per year in a hardcore sports car