RE: TVR Sagaris: PH Carpool
Discussion
BBS-LM said:
The one I drove liked to track the road more then it liked to drive in a straight line, you had to fight the gearbox to get it in any gear, there was so mush heat coming from the engine which come into the cabin, after 5min of driving you wanted to just get out of the thing, the build quality was so bad, it was comical, and was the one thing that actually made me laugh out loud about the car, and after all the stories of these TVR being fast, I didn't think it was that quick at all. I would have a Lotus Exige any day of the week over one of these.
The gearbox certainly takes some getting used to, as does the heavy clutch. It's a raw driving experience which not everyone is going to like but if it's what you're after there's nothing better. As for going with the road - it does but the steering is hugely responsive and it's very easy to keep under control. It's not the same proposition as an Exige so it's pointless comparing. It is a quick car, it has ~380bhp and weighs just over a tonne, that's fast by most measures, if it felt slow it's probably because you are 
[quote]And on that day I drove anther 7 super cars, which put this TVR in good perspective?
My favorite looking car of all time. These are simply amazing. Maybe yours has been good to you as you use her all the time instead of being started 9 nice every six months...... We all know they are more than inanimate objects and like the attention. I doff my hat to you sir and your amazing car. Good stuff and keep driving her.
My favorite looking car of all time. These are simply amazing. Maybe yours has been good to you as you use her all the time instead of being started every six months...... We all know they are more than inanimate objects and like the attention. I doff my hat to you sir and your amazing car. Good stuff and keep driving her.
Great write up for a great Car , although I might be biased !
Let's not forget there is also a T350T out there with a Speed six engine and over 200k miles under its belt the last I heard !
[quote=BBS-LM]
....and after all the stories of these TVR being fast, I didn't think it was that quick at all. I would have a Lotus Exige any day of the week over one of these. quote =BBS-LM
The speed 6 engine needs to be " driven" - did the Supercar organisers allow it to stretch its legs ?!
Let's not forget there is also a T350T out there with a Speed six engine and over 200k miles under its belt the last I heard !
[quote=BBS-LM]
....and after all the stories of these TVR being fast, I didn't think it was that quick at all. I would have a Lotus Exige any day of the week over one of these. quote =BBS-LM
The speed 6 engine needs to be " driven" - did the Supercar organisers allow it to stretch its legs ?!
Great write up for a great Car , although I might be biased !
Let's not forget there is also a T350T out there with a Speed six engine and over 200k miles under its belt the last I heard !
[quote=BBS-LM]
....and after all the stories of these TVR being fast, I didn't think it was that quick at all. I would have a Lotus Exige any day of the week over one of these. quote =BBS-LM
The speed 6 engine needs to be " driven" - did the Supercar organisers allow it to stretch its legs ?!
Let's not forget there is also a T350T out there with a Speed six engine and over 200k miles under its belt the last I heard !
[quote=BBS-LM]
....and after all the stories of these TVR being fast, I didn't think it was that quick at all. I would have a Lotus Exige any day of the week over one of these. quote =BBS-LM
The speed 6 engine needs to be " driven" - did the Supercar organisers allow it to stretch its legs ?!
Mr_Dave said:
Most cars with factory air/oil coolers have a thermostat (all the one's I've seen anyway), or they use a laminar cooler. Maybe TVR couldn't be bothered to fit one 
Speed 6 engine has an oil to water cooler. Trouble is the water inlet into the oil cooler is on the cold side of the radiator, and no oil thermostat. Fitting an oil thermostat would be easy enough but in reality not needed as worst case the oil hovers around 60deg rather than 90 which is still fine.Good read.
Two rules of thumb for Tivs:
Firstly, try to avoid them living outside. The simple fact is that for the money they cost its bloody obvious some corners had to be cut. Cost cutting on electrics and metalwork prep simply means that a life outside will bring some obvious issues. Especially if not used regularly. Keep it in a dry garage and funnily enough you don't have the problems that many have reported.
Secondly, don't drive them like you're a coat hanger vendor late for the monthly dogging event. You can still drive them bloody hard but the mechanically unsympathetic who dump total unrequired strain on the drivetrain because they've only ever driven over engineered, mass produced boxes. Drive them well and surprisingly they don't break.
Bits will fall off. If you have the two hands needed to drive in the first instance then you have two hands to pick up and glue it back on. or, if you are far too important for such crude manual labour then you can pay a smarter person to do it for you.
Bits will wear out. Replace them.
They don't drive like other performance cars. Damn right they don't. If they did then they would be just like those other performance cars. They drive their way like 911s need a different driving style to be safe, so do Tivs. Engage brain, learn that style and amazingly you won't be crashing it joining a motorway or Barrying it like a company Mondeo on a roundabout.
Biggest risk for Tivs is that they are cheap. This means that a fair number will have been bought by an idiot who then didn't have the money to maintain it and so f
ked it and flogged it on. Usually accompanied by a load of bhing about it. It's really important to buy smart.
These aren't robust cars but if you are not a mug and you understand what it is that you've just bought then you don't get much trouble unless you are genuinely unlucky.
I've had them for over twenty years. I've also had top of the range BMWs, Jags and Rangies over that period. All very well looked after. I've been stranded more times by BMW than Tivs and at least when a Tiv breaks it's a nice, social event getting it fixed. You don't have to del with some polyester suited goon who struggles to spew out some form of pidgin English.
Two rules of thumb for Tivs:
Firstly, try to avoid them living outside. The simple fact is that for the money they cost its bloody obvious some corners had to be cut. Cost cutting on electrics and metalwork prep simply means that a life outside will bring some obvious issues. Especially if not used regularly. Keep it in a dry garage and funnily enough you don't have the problems that many have reported.
Secondly, don't drive them like you're a coat hanger vendor late for the monthly dogging event. You can still drive them bloody hard but the mechanically unsympathetic who dump total unrequired strain on the drivetrain because they've only ever driven over engineered, mass produced boxes. Drive them well and surprisingly they don't break.
Bits will fall off. If you have the two hands needed to drive in the first instance then you have two hands to pick up and glue it back on.
or, if you are far too important for such crude manual labour then you can pay a smarter person to do it for you. Bits will wear out. Replace them.
They don't drive like other performance cars. Damn right they don't. If they did then they would be just like those other performance cars. They drive their way like 911s need a different driving style to be safe, so do Tivs. Engage brain, learn that style and amazingly you won't be crashing it joining a motorway or Barrying it like a company Mondeo on a roundabout.
Biggest risk for Tivs is that they are cheap. This means that a fair number will have been bought by an idiot who then didn't have the money to maintain it and so f
ked it and flogged it on. Usually accompanied by a load of bhing about it. It's really important to buy smart. These aren't robust cars but if you are not a mug and you understand what it is that you've just bought then you don't get much trouble unless you are genuinely unlucky.
I've had them for over twenty years. I've also had top of the range BMWs, Jags and Rangies over that period. All very well looked after. I've been stranded more times by BMW than Tivs and at least when a Tiv breaks it's a nice, social event getting it fixed. You don't have to del with some polyester suited goon who struggles to spew out some form of pidgin English.
DonkeyApple said:
Good read.
Two rules of thumb for Tivs:
Firstly, try to avoid them living outside. The simple fact is that for the money they cost its bloody obvious some corners had to be cut. Cost cutting on electrics and metalwork prep simply means that a life outside will bring some obvious issues. Especially if not used regularly. Keep it in a dry garage and funnily enough you don't have the problems that many have reported.
Secondly, don't drive them like you're a coat hanger vendor late for the monthly dogging event. You can still drive them bloody hard but the mechanically unsympathetic who dump total unrequired strain on the drivetrain because they've only ever driven over engineered, mass produced boxes. Drive them well and surprisingly they don't break.
Bits will fall off. If you have the two hands needed to drive in the first instance then you have two hands to pick up and glue it back on. or, if you are far too important for such crude manual labour then you can pay a smarter person to do it for you.
Bits will wear out. Replace them.
They don't drive like other performance cars. Damn right they don't. If they did then they would be just like those other performance cars. They drive their way like 911s need a different driving style to be safe, so do Tivs. Engage brain, learn that style and amazingly you won't be crashing it joining a motorway or Barrying it like a company Mondeo on a roundabout.
Biggest risk for Tivs is that they are cheap. This means that a fair number will have been bought by an idiot who then didn't have the money to maintain it and so fked it and flogged it on. Usually accompanied by a load of bhing about it. It's really important to buy smart.
These aren't robust cars but if you are not a mug and you understand what it is that you've just bought then you don't get much trouble unless you are genuinely unlucky.
I've had them for over twenty years. I've also had top of the range BMWs, Jags and Rangies over that period. All very well looked after. I've been stranded more times by BMW than Tivs and at least when a Tiv breaks it's a nice, social event getting it fixed. You don't have to del with some polyester suited goon who struggles to spew out some form of pidgin English.
Genuinely always enjoy reading your posts Two rules of thumb for Tivs:
Firstly, try to avoid them living outside. The simple fact is that for the money they cost its bloody obvious some corners had to be cut. Cost cutting on electrics and metalwork prep simply means that a life outside will bring some obvious issues. Especially if not used regularly. Keep it in a dry garage and funnily enough you don't have the problems that many have reported.
Secondly, don't drive them like you're a coat hanger vendor late for the monthly dogging event. You can still drive them bloody hard but the mechanically unsympathetic who dump total unrequired strain on the drivetrain because they've only ever driven over engineered, mass produced boxes. Drive them well and surprisingly they don't break.
Bits will fall off. If you have the two hands needed to drive in the first instance then you have two hands to pick up and glue it back on.
or, if you are far too important for such crude manual labour then you can pay a smarter person to do it for you. Bits will wear out. Replace them.
They don't drive like other performance cars. Damn right they don't. If they did then they would be just like those other performance cars. They drive their way like 911s need a different driving style to be safe, so do Tivs. Engage brain, learn that style and amazingly you won't be crashing it joining a motorway or Barrying it like a company Mondeo on a roundabout.
Biggest risk for Tivs is that they are cheap. This means that a fair number will have been bought by an idiot who then didn't have the money to maintain it and so f
ked it and flogged it on. Usually accompanied by a load of bhing about it. It's really important to buy smart. These aren't robust cars but if you are not a mug and you understand what it is that you've just bought then you don't get much trouble unless you are genuinely unlucky.
I've had them for over twenty years. I've also had top of the range BMWs, Jags and Rangies over that period. All very well looked after. I've been stranded more times by BMW than Tivs and at least when a Tiv breaks it's a nice, social event getting it fixed. You don't have to del with some polyester suited goon who struggles to spew out some form of pidgin English.
the knowledge and experience and humour you have is always appreciated by me that's for sure. BJG1 said:
If you were jumping into a Gallardo, R8 etc afterwards it's obviously going to feel flawed.
Flawed? A raw, visceral driving experience sounds like heaven. 
The Sagaris was the last in a line of very special cars. The ultimate realization of TVRs bonkers ethos, just refined enough to make it liveable. Some people don't get it, and there's a whole host of DSG equipped cars out there for them, with electronic steering and 20 suspension modes.
j_s14a said:
Flawed? A raw, visceral driving experience sounds like heaven.
The Sagaris was the last in a line of very special cars. The ultimate realization of TVRs bonkers ethos, just refined enough to make it liveable. Some people don't get it, and there's a whole host of DSG equipped cars out there for them, with electronic steering and 20 suspension modes.
they certainly have their flaws. Corners are cut to make cars like that and there's the odd annoying gimmick. The driving position isn't perfect, I don't like how high up the gear stick is and I'd prefer a more progressive brake pedal. The clutch is also far too stiff if you're having to drive through traffic - it fThe Sagaris was the last in a line of very special cars. The ultimate realization of TVRs bonkers ethos, just refined enough to make it liveable. Some people don't get it, and there's a whole host of DSG equipped cars out there for them, with electronic steering and 20 suspension modes.
king hates London.The engine gives off so much heat the bits underneath the steering wheel can get too hot to touch and if you're stuck in traffic for a bit no amount of air con will stop you from being a big, sweaty mess. It also starts to smell a bit after a while, a lovely mix of slightly melted glue and the stale sweat of you and your passenger.
The way the doors open are a stupid gimmick and a pain in the arse for passengers. Yeah, you made the door open by pressing what looks like a CD eject button or something, well bloody done. I don't know who thinks s
t like that is a good idea but they probably have blue neon lights surrounding their telly or something. It's also not the most stable of cars at higher speeds - certainly feels a lot hairier at 130+ than anything else I've driven. I wouldn't swap mine for almost anything, though. Every time you get in, it feels like an event. I'll never get bored of how evil it looks and turning the key always puts a massive grin on my face. It sticks to the road like glue on a summer's day and is pretty easy to keep under control considering the lack of driver aids. It's a car you feel connected to, every time you put your foot down, power out of a corner or shift down into second you feel like you're the one in control of everything and that's hard to get from a modern sports car.
good write up, great to see another one being well used, i've only taken my one from 14k up to 20k on the clock in 2 years and I love my sag but it has its moments, last month I discovered the air con stopped working (horrible noise from engine bay when I turn it on) and this week the digi dash has gone haywire for the second time, I've never had problems with oil pressure/temp sensors though and the only real other issues have been caused by lack of attention to detail, or corner cutting by service agents. Now I've spent some money on getting maintenance sorted out its not had any issues to stop it in its tracks.
j_s14a said:
BJG1 said:
If you were jumping into a Gallardo, R8 etc afterwards it's obviously going to feel flawed.
Flawed? A raw, visceral driving experience sounds like heaven. The Sagaris was the last in a line of very special cars. The ultimate realization of TVRs bonkers ethos, just refined enough to make it liveable. Some people don't get it, and there's a whole host of DSG equipped cars out there for them, with electronic steering and 20 suspension modes.
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