Neutering a male cat that isn't yours

Neutering a male cat that isn't yours

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McGraw

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197 posts

142 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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  • Please not that I don't intend to do this, it just crossed my mind and I'm interested in the legalities of it*
We are fully registered breeders and keep a couple of our girls active so we can have the ocassional litter with them.

For reasons of unwanted pregnancies, safety and fleas, they live indoors. They have the run of the house and back garden which has high walls that they seem to not be bothered to escape over so we leave them out there semi-supervised.

However, we now have a regular intruder who is very interested in our girls and he is equipped to impregnate them. This has to be avoided due to the possibilities of feline leukaemia which our cats are purposely not vaccinated for, unnecessary preganancies and fleas (kitten killers).

Now we can't really let them out for any period of time on their own and I feel that I shouldn't have to put up with someone else's cat coming on our property and trying to impregnate our girls. Netting the top of the garden is not a possibility.

I'm hoping I can track the owner down and offer to pay for their cat to be snipped but I'm wondering if he could be a bit of a wandering stray so this might not be an option.

What would happen if I nipped him to the vet and had him done?

It would also stop a few unwanted litters in the area as well.

His owner might not like the idea of him being operated on unnecesarily and would no doubt be freaked out by his emasculated moggy turning up one day but would the police even care?

mrmr96

13,736 posts

203 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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NO WAY should you be considering kidnapping someone else' cat to perform an irreversible medical procedure on them!

If you want to keep "your girls" fertile, but don't want them to become pregnant, then you're going to have to keep them indoors, or keep a watch over them whilst they are out doors. You might not like those choices, but given your self imposed predicates, those ARE your choices.

Randomthoughts

917 posts

132 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Spade to the back of the head. I resent the fact that people think that their cats milling around on other people's property is something you should tolerate. Sick of having to pick up their crap.

McGraw

Original Poster:

197 posts

142 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Well it would be cat...or maybe kitnapping wouldn't it biggrin

No way I would do it unless I knew for sure it was a stray and how do you ever know for sure?

Just frustrating really...maybe a few squirts from a water pistol might encourage him not to come back.

Retroman

961 posts

132 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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I'd hate to see how you're react if you have daughters and they start dating.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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McGraw said:
Just frustrating really...maybe a few squirts from a water pistol might encourage him not to come back.
Would a couple of squirts from a water pistol keep you away from a sunny garden full of available and willing women to mate with? biggrin

mrmr96

13,736 posts

203 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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It's a bit like saying you want to "ban rain" so that you can let your cats go outside without getting wet. It's not something you can control in the way you want to; you can't make your garden Tom proof and there will always be toms roaming about, so even if this one was neutered it doesn't solve your concern when the next one comes along. You're best not letting them outside, or not letting them outside alone. Or accept that they go outside alone and may become pregnant. Or neuter your own cats. No, you can't go and rip his balls off, even if he is a stray.

Type R Tom

3,859 posts

148 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Randomthoughts said:
Spade to the back of the head. I resent the fact that people think that their cats milling around on other people's property is something you should tolerate. Sick of having to pick up their crap.
Off topic but I've never understood that, if you let your dog wander around neighbours property doing what he likes all hell would break loose but when a cat does it you have to accept it.

Our neighbour’s cat has a habit of walking up and down / sitting on our car with grit in his paws and has caused a few marks. Tempted to put our Alsatian on their car roof, see how they like it.

gonzales

591 posts

210 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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If he's getting in over the top of the walls would spike strips not deter him??

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Type R Tom said:
Randomthoughts said:
Spade to the back of the head. I resent the fact that people think that their cats milling around on other people's property is something you should tolerate. Sick of having to pick up their crap.
Off topic but I've never understood that, if you let your dog wander around neighbours property doing what he likes all hell would break loose but when a cat does it you have to accept it.
Because the law says you have to control your dog, whereas you don't have to control your cat.

Tonsko

6,299 posts

214 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Could try spraying the walls with a mixture of lemon juice and eucalyptus oil? It's supposed to be properly offensive to cats. Yours have no requirement to go over the wall, so it shouldn't bother them. I have no idea whether this works, but a friend who owns cats says eucalyptus oil is anathema.

Type R Tom

3,859 posts

148 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Type R Tom said:
Randomthoughts said:
Spade to the back of the head. I resent the fact that people think that their cats milling around on other people's property is something you should tolerate. Sick of having to pick up their crap.
Off topic but I've never understood that, if you let your dog wander around neighbours property doing what he likes all hell would break loose but when a cat does it you have to accept it.
Because the law says you have to control your dog, whereas you don't have to control your cat.
You’re right of course but my point is that cats are equally capable of causing damage (though not to people like a dog could) but you just have to suck it up.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Type R Tom said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Type R Tom said:
Randomthoughts said:
Spade to the back of the head. I resent the fact that people think that their cats milling around on other people's property is something you should tolerate. Sick of having to pick up their crap.
Off topic but I've never understood that, if you let your dog wander around neighbours property doing what he likes all hell would break loose but when a cat does it you have to accept it.
Because the law says you have to control your dog, whereas you don't have to control your cat.
You’re right of course but my point is that cats are equally capable of causing damage (though not to people like a dog could) but you just have to suck it up.
Cats can cause some damage, but not equal to a dog. Dogs are usually much bigger and more powerful animals.

Snowboy

8,028 posts

150 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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If you can catch it could you put a collar on it with a short polite note asking them to call you.

As for the other bits;
I am not a lawyer, a cat, a dog or a farmer.
I think the following is broadly true.

Dogs are legally domesticated pets or livestock.
Cats aren't.
Cats are in a sort of semi domestic/semi feral bracket.

The owner isn't responsible for the cat, but if the cat in injured the owner can't claim damages.

In terms of the bigger picture, the food chain has a space for a small predator.
In most towns in England that space is filled by semi-domestic cats.

Where people don't own 'pet' cats that niche is filled with wild cats, foxes, ferrets, rats and other much nastier little bds.

While cars can be annoying the alternatives are much worse.

Trax

1,527 posts

231 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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As you seem to like cats, then none of the normal methods of getting rid of unwanted vermin will be acceptable for you.

Therefore, get it 'done'. If the selfish idiot who lets his pet roam free - 'allowed or not' finds out, send him the bill.

littleredrooster

5,523 posts

195 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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I've been a cat-lover and owner for all of my 59 years, but "...our girls..." - please!! They're queens, the visiting nuisance is a tom for goodness' sake! Get a grip!

And as for snipping the nuts off someone else's cat, words fail me! Morally indefensible, even if legal (if it is?).

TC99

119 posts

122 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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I had an intact Tom cat. I would have been violent towards any berk who captured him and had him done.

Centurion07

10,381 posts

246 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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TC99 said:
I had an intact Tom cat. I would have been violent towards any berk who captured him and had him done.
Why had he not be done, out of interest?

EskimoArapaho

5,135 posts

134 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Can't you use some clever device to cork "your girls" in the relevant aperture? If you can't buy such a thing, invent something and make your millions (I'll take my usual 15%)


Stoofa

958 posts

167 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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From a legal point of view a cat is a "free spirit" so owners cannot be held responsible for them. With regards toilet behavior, the majority of cats will bury what they leave behind, dogs certainly don't.