Low carb, high fat/high carb, low fat/etc

[Art0ir]

ewenm said:

Art0ir said:

Anyone any idea how to combat fatigue while doing this?

Resistance training + rowing + cutting down on food intake has me completely knackered, even after 8 hours sleep (I normally function 100% on 6).

Are you cutting down on food intake too much?

I may well be, I haven't been terribly scientific about it all (half portions of most things except dinner).

I've also completely lost my appetite in the mornings so have been missing out on any sort of breakfast a lot. I feel great, just knackered!

[LordGrover]

Hoofy said:

But if you're eating enough healthy stuff, then you could happily slip in some unhealthy stuff that is nutrition-free.

This is exactly what I don't get... why would you want to?

Like I said above, there are times when it would be churlish or antisocial to refuse that late night kebab, full-fat coke or even a nasty pasty, but it's a very rare thing for me. I would expect for anyone who's keen to optimise their health and fitness to feel the same.

Eating the good stuff has positive effects, the **** is either zero or negative effect.

[dirty boy]

LordGrover said:

Hoofy said:

But if you're eating enough healthy stuff, then you could happily slip in some unhealthy stuff that is nutrition-free.

This is exactly what I don't get... why would you want to?

Like I said above, there are times when it would be churlish or antisocial to refuse that late night kebab, full-fat coke or even a nasty pasty, but it's a very rare thing for me. I would expect for anyone who's keen to optimise their health and fitness to feel the same.

I'm now at the point that I feel borderline terrible if I touch a pint of beer or a packet of crisps.

It's becoming easier and easier to avoid 'bad food'

[Hoofy]

LordGrover said:

Hoofy said:

But if you're eating enough healthy stuff, then you could happily slip in some unhealthy stuff that is nutrition-free.

This is exactly what I don't get... why would you want to?

Like I said above, there are times when it would be churlish or antisocial to refuse that late night kebab, full-fat coke or even a nasty pasty, but it's a very rare thing for me. I would expect for anyone who's keen to optimise their health and fitness to feel the same.

Eating the good stuff has positive effects, the **** is either zero or negative effect.

Tastes nice, though.

[LordGrover]

We're going to have to agree to disagree here mate.

1. No, mostly it doesn't.
2. Mostly, the good stuff tastes great anyway.

[BoRED S2upid]

LordGrover said:

. Surely it's that simple for everyone?

Shhh. Don't let weight watchers et al hear you say that! It's not that easy that doesn't make billions every year! You need diet plans, exercise classes, focus groups, structured plans etc... It's not as easy as just not eating cakes and st!

[LordGrover]

Let's not confuse simple with easy, eh?

[Hoofy]

LordGrover said:

We're going to have to agree to disagree here mate.

1. No, mostly it doesn't.
2. Mostly, the good stuff tastes great anyway.

1. Yes, it does.
2. Nope, it tastes ok, but not great.

I could go without the fun stuff, of course. It's not like I have fish and chips every night. And the last time I had fish and chips (last week) was in a gastroenteritis pub so although I ordered fish and chips, I just had a square plate of air.

[SpunkyGlory]

I can't help but laugh at myself sometimes. I'm very strict with my diet and rarely have unhealthy treats, will happily refuse cakes and sweets in the office etc all in the pursuit of health and fitness. And then go and have one night of lots and lots of alcohol at the weekend which effectively negates the healthy diet from the week.

But that's a choice I live with, I'm 24 and enjoy socially drinking one night every 1 or 2 weeks. I just punish myself in the gym the next day.

[ATG]

LordGrover said:

Let's not confuse simple with easy, eh?

Nail on the head.

[Centurion07]

BenM77 said:

DD put it simpler than me. Training will change how you look and your fitness level. Not diet.

You can't out-train a bad diet. A cliche, but it's true. Doesn't matter how hard you work in the gym, the right diet will see that training realised, faster and stronger.

[272BHP]

SpunkyGlory said:

I can't help but laugh at myself sometimes. I'm very strict with my diet and rarely have unhealthy treats, will happily refuse cakes and sweets in the office etc all in the pursuit of health and fitness. And then go and have one night of lots and lots of alcohol at the weekend which effectively negates the healthy diet from the week.

But that's a choice I live with, I'm 24 and enjoy socially drinking one night every 1 or 2 weeks. I just punish myself in the gym the next day.

I wouldn't beat yourself up about it. I think you have got the balance about right to be honest.

[didelydoo]

Centurion07 said:

You can't out-train a bad diet. A cliche, but it's true. Doesn't matter how hard you work in the gym, the right diet will see that training realised, faster and stronger.

Define bad? As long as there are enough calories and protein, you'll progress. Add more carbs/bit more protein to grow, reduce carbs to shrink. Simple- no need to fast, stress about hormone responses, backload etc. The best progress I've ever made has been when i've kept it simple, and ate lots.

People over think it, worry about the little things that make a minimal difference.

[HonestIago]

SpunkyGlory said:

I can't help but laugh at myself sometimes. I'm very strict with my diet and rarely have unhealthy treats, will happily refuse cakes and sweets in the office etc all in the pursuit of health and fitness. And then go and have one night of lots and lots of alcohol at the weekend which effectively negates the healthy diet from the week.

But that's a choice I live with, I'm 24 and enjoy socially drinking one night every 1 or 2 weeks. I just punish myself in the gym the next day.

Don't see the point tbh, just give yourself a day to relax/recover. I never think much can be achieved in the gym on a hangover.

[ewenm]

Interesting blog here: All that fat

[Vocal Minority]

LordGrover said:

We're going to have to agree to disagree here mate.

1. No, mostly it doesn't.
2. Mostly, the good stuff tastes great anyway.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree as well!

1). Depends what it is...but I am afraid some of it really does
2). Really? Vegetables really do go down in my necessary evil column!

At least this thread hasn't yet degenerated into weight loss willy waving about just how bland one can make one's dinner yet. "I have a piece of chicken (dry and a small amount of brown rice and a bit of broccoli - Its all one really needs

Yeah...I can't really live like that

[Hoofy]

Vocal Minority said:

just how bland one can make one's dinner yet.

I could probably win this one despite me firmly sitting on the "eat some junk cos it tastes good" fence. I have eaten plain couscous with lettuce leaves and plain chicken breast with some pepper for flavouring before... on numerous occasions.

[SpunkyGlory]

HonestIago said:

Don't see the point tbh, just give yourself a day to relax/recover. I never think much can be achieved in the gym on a hangover.

I always feel better having worked out through a hangover, feel terrible if I just sit around doing nothing. Admittedly the sweat smelling of alcohol makes me feel worse occasionally...

[Hoofy]

I've discovered another way of trolling unnecessarily healthy people. (I'm thinking people who don't drink or touch any junk food eg cakes, burgers, meat(!).)

Eat a packet of crisps in front of them. They'll shake their head yet cannot say "you wouldn't be fat if you didn't eat that crap". You can see they want to say it but, well, I'm not fat. They almost have a mental breakdown.

[Warnie]

Been eating low carb high fat for a while now and feel great on it and would never go back. I still have the odd cake here and there, and being in the confectionery trade, the odd sweet here and there. I still drink about 6-7 pints a week and will not hold back on a night out, even if they are becoming less and less. But I don't miss anything such as chips, crisps and chocolate as I just no longer crave them, it's weird how I'm able to go without food if there's no low carb option, now after breakfast I end up having to make sure I eat because of my training, otherwise I could go all day easily.

Yesterday we had a party for my daughters birthday, we put on lots of pizza and crisps and I thought sod it I'll tuck in (and I did big time). Today my arse is blowing many a tune, the wife says I stink and sorry if anyone's having dinner but my poo has gone sticky this after months of feeling great. Also noticed that my stomach feels huge/bloated when I have anything loaded with carbs.