Diesel users to pay £20 to enter London
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Just heard about this on the radio http://www.lbc.co.uk/diesel-cars-could-have-to-pay...
I'm in two minds about this, on one hand it's getting out of hand the amount of pollution caused by diesel vehicles in London especially so in the heat were having atm, each day in rush hour as soon as I get to the top of Crystal Palace and then head towards London you can taste the pollution in the air (as well as see it).
On the other hand they want to apply the charge to pre 2006 petrols as well and I've got a 2005 RX8, I don't commute in but if I had to £20 per day for the privilege just for passing through on weekends then the charge would see me get a taxi in instead defeating the point of lowering the particulate emissions.
Wondering if it will apply to Taxi's and Busses and if it will just be the existing congestion charge zone or the LEZ M25 one.
I'm in two minds about this, on one hand it's getting out of hand the amount of pollution caused by diesel vehicles in London especially so in the heat were having atm, each day in rush hour as soon as I get to the top of Crystal Palace and then head towards London you can taste the pollution in the air (as well as see it).
On the other hand they want to apply the charge to pre 2006 petrols as well and I've got a 2005 RX8, I don't commute in but if I had to £20 per day for the privilege just for passing through on weekends then the charge would see me get a taxi in instead defeating the point of lowering the particulate emissions.
Wondering if it will apply to Taxi's and Busses and if it will just be the existing congestion charge zone or the LEZ M25 one.
strummerville said:
It amuses me that we are all incentivised financially to drive supposed lower CO2 emitting, but more carcinogenic diesels. As one wag on here said a while ago:
"Diesel is the new asbestos. We know it's bad for your health, but choose to ignore it".
Although we've gone less far than much of Europe with pushing diesels. At least we have the same tax rate on both fuels. "Diesel is the new asbestos. We know it's bad for your health, but choose to ignore it".
kambites said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Electric only, I can see thats the aim
I don't think it would be a bad thing to push for all cars which routinely enter the centre of big cities to be electric. It's the one situation where "zero emission" really means something sensible. kambites said:
POORCARDEALER said:
I think once the battery technology is up to spec then maybe, but its nowhere near at the minute
Indeed, but I see no evidence that petrol cars are going to be pushed out of cities completely in the next few years. Interesting the last 20 years has been pro diesel and that may well start to reverse
kambites said:
Although we've gone less far than much of Europe with pushing diesels. At least we have the same tax rate on both fuels.
And Europe has cleaner air, apparently. strummerville said:
It amuses me that we are all incentivised financially to drive supposed lower CO2 emitting, but more carcinogenic diesels. As one wag on here said a while ago:
"Diesel is the new asbestos. We know it's bad for your health, but choose to ignore it".
This is the thinking that I just can not understand. After 100 years of use, it has been decided that diesel is carcinogenic based on conditions in people who have worked underground with diesel engines for 30 years."Diesel is the new asbestos. We know it's bad for your health, but choose to ignore it".
Meantime highly carcinogenic substances have been added to petrol to get the fuel to work well in internal combustion engines. Before the carcinogenic substances were added (or as well as, possibly) tetra-ethyl lead was added, another substance known to be highly injurious to human health.
If you were going to label a fuel as carcinogenic, why would you not pick the fuel known to be carcinogenic right from the moment it was used? Why would you pick the fuel that has taken 100 years to be decided whether or not the fuel is carcinogenic?
If you were going to use asbestos as an analogy, why would you not pick the fuel that has always been known to be injurious over human health, over the fuel that has had 100 years debate on the subject?
POORCARDEALER said:
Theres no evidence that an electric car will take me from yorkshire to london in the next few years on a single charge, and thats the problem.
Interesting the last 20 years has been pro diesel and that may well start to reverse
Except for a Tesla Model S that can do London to Yorkshire today no problem?Interesting the last 20 years has been pro diesel and that may well start to reverse
POORCARDEALER said:
Theres no evidence that an electric car will take me from yorkshire to london in the next few years on a single charge, and thats the problem.
Interesting the last 20 years has been pro diesel and that may well start to reverse
I think that the fact people are now used to the range of a diesel is not going to work in electric cars' favour. Many have gone from a petrol that could do about 300 miles out of a tank, to a diesel that can do about 600 (ballpark figures, I can do 220 miles in my petrol car but could do over 800 in my old diesel) so moving to an electric with a range of about 200 is a massive drop.Interesting the last 20 years has been pro diesel and that may well start to reverse
Back on topic though, the pollution in London is pretty awful and they are running out of ways of fixing it. I am guessing all the buses have the highest level particulate filter and all that? Maybe they will go after 2 stroke scooters next, there are plenty of electric models about.
LayZ said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Theres no evidence that an electric car will take me from yorkshire to london in the next few years on a single charge, and thats the problem.
Interesting the last 20 years has been pro diesel and that may well start to reverse
Except for a Tesla Model S that can do London to Yorkshire today no problem?Interesting the last 20 years has been pro diesel and that may well start to reverse
POORCARDEALER said:
Theres no evidence that an electric car will take me from yorkshire to london in the next few years on a single charge, and thats the problem.
Firstly a Tesla already can. It's a luxury car so costs luxury car money, but they claim to be releasing a ~£30k 3-series competitor with similar range in the next few years. Secondly, how many people routinely drive from Yorkshire to the centre of London and how much would it hurt the economy for them to not do so?
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 29th July 08:52
POORCARDEALER said:
LayZ said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Theres no evidence that an electric car will take me from yorkshire to london in the next few years on a single charge, and thats the problem.
Interesting the last 20 years has been pro diesel and that may well start to reverse
Except for a Tesla Model S that can do London to Yorkshire today no problem?Interesting the last 20 years has been pro diesel and that may well start to reverse
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