RE: Pay per view: PH Blog
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KTF said:
Mr Whippy said:
shoving adverts down my neck.
Ad Block Plus will sort that out for you.I'm assuming though that if you pay it's totally advert free?
But I still think there is a place for proper sponsorship type adverts in the videos that don't mean Chris has to sell his soul and not be impartial any more.
What do YT think after supporting the channel for so long I wonder?
Then again they probably don't care which way it goes as they'll take their cut of any revenue generated via their site.
Dave
Whatever peoples personal opinions are, the over riding opinion thus far is that only a small percentage will subscribe. Their decision made on the initial statement. However you cut it, saying goodbye to 98% or whatever of your audience is commercial suicide.
A great shame, CH is one of the most original and interesting presenters out there.
But there is always new blood waiting in the wings, narrowing your audience free or paid is a bad idea, you're unlike to get them back. I'd suggest that already many are lost.
A great shame, CH is one of the most original and interesting presenters out there.
But there is always new blood waiting in the wings, narrowing your audience free or paid is a bad idea, you're unlike to get them back. I'd suggest that already many are lost.
Didn't know it was supported by YouTube. That means this is a bit of a watershed moment. This is a big Google experiment, this is how the pricing of subscription video will be decided. The price people chose to pay now is super-important. And that's why I'm not going to subscribe at £2.49 a month. It's not a lot of money for Drive, but I watch a lot more than just Drive and if they all cost £2.49 it would be ridiculous. I'm not voting with my wallet for that. I really don't see that as being the sweet-spot price. I bet they'd get more than 2.5x as many subscribers if they only wanted £1 a month (which is still apparently 40x the revenue they get from my 10 or so views per month).
Aiming for just 2% of the current subscriber base seems daft too. Maybe they'd get enough cash in but how much leverage would they have with the car companies with an audience of 20k compared to a million?
Aiming for just 2% of the current subscriber base seems daft too. Maybe they'd get enough cash in but how much leverage would they have with the car companies with an audience of 20k compared to a million?
mollymoo said:
Aiming for just 2% of the current subscriber base seems daft too. Maybe they'd get enough cash in but how much leverage would they have with the car companies with an audience of 20k compared to a million?
This popped into my mind, if their audience drops from 1.1m subscribers and 3.7m views on a single video to 20k subscribers and 40k views... Are manufacturers going to feel like they need that exposure? Maybe not. This thread confirms three things, the UK economy must still be f
ked, ph'ers must all be students and the majority are wrong - this will be a success as a business. FFS it's a pittance of a fee and if you can't afford that measly amount tough st, get a better job, work harder do whatever but stop whinging, your not entitled to free anything.
ked, ph'ers must all be students and the majority are wrong - this will be a success as a business. FFS it's a pittance of a fee and if you can't afford that measly amount tough st, get a better job, work harder do whatever but stop whinging, your not entitled to free anything.custardtart said:
This thread confirms three things, the UK economy must still be fked, ph'ers must all be students and the majority are wrong - this will be a success as a business. FFS it's a pittance of a fee and if you can't afford that measly amount tough st, get a better job, work harder do whatever but stop whinging, your not entitled to free anything.
web growth was driven by free content (mostly pron ked, ph'ers must all be students and the majority are wrong - this will be a success as a business. FFS it's a pittance of a fee and if you can't afford that measly amount tough st, get a better job, work harder do whatever but stop whinging, your not entitled to free anything.
) it has a culture of not paying for anythingits only in recent years that cooperate activity has become common
consequently new models like this will meet with resistance
doubly so when content expected to be paid for is as poor as the laferrari video
custardtart said:
This thread confirms three things, the UK economy must still be fked, ph'ers must all be students and the majority are wrong - this will be a success as a business. FFS it's a pittance of a fee and if you can't afford that measly amount tough st, get a better job, work harder do whatever but stop whinging, your not entitled to free anything.
It is funny how much of PH rant about jippo scum and scroungers like angry old right wing men and then the moment they might have to pay for something they turn into Karl Marx and Leon Trotsky's bked, ph'ers must all be students and the majority are wrong - this will be a success as a business. FFS it's a pittance of a fee and if you can't afford that measly amount tough st, get a better job, work harder do whatever but stop whinging, your not entitled to free anything.d love child. 
Whats the average vid cost? worse case being 9k for £500k's+ worth of insurance and a whole track.
The others must be 30% of that? I haven't worked out what sort of cameras they are but I'd guess its not a mega expensive setup, a pole cam etc? Thats not knocking it, for internet viewing its better than it needs to be.
The others must be 30% of that? I haven't worked out what sort of cameras they are but I'd guess its not a mega expensive setup, a pole cam etc? Thats not knocking it, for internet viewing its better than it needs to be.
custardtart said:
This thread confirms three things, the UK economy must still be fked, ph'ers must all be students and the majority are wrong - this will be a success as a business. FFS it's a pittance of a fee and if you can't afford that measly amount tough st, get a better job, work harder do whatever but stop whinging, your not entitled to free anything.
Or it just confirms you're a bit of a tool who likes willy waving ked, ph'ers must all be students and the majority are wrong - this will be a success as a business. FFS it's a pittance of a fee and if you can't afford that measly amount tough st, get a better job, work harder do whatever but stop whinging, your not entitled to free anything.
.Given Chris' popularity on PH and the ever increasing number of slow news days we're seeing I'm surprised Haymarket haven't offered a solution? As a number of people have already said, the majority only seem to watch the videos to pass some time for a bit of entertainment. There's always enough free content available to do this.
stats007 said:
Or it just confirms you're a bit of a tool who likes willy waving .
Given Chris' popularity on PH and the ever increasing number of slow news days we're seeing I'm surprised Haymarket haven't offered a solution? As a number of people have already said, the majority only seem to watch the videos to pass some time for a bit of entertainment. There's always enough free content available to do this.
Bring back riggers .Given Chris' popularity on PH and the ever increasing number of slow news days we're seeing I'm surprised Haymarket haven't offered a solution? As a number of people have already said, the majority only seem to watch the videos to pass some time for a bit of entertainment. There's always enough free content available to do this.
After some thought I decided to go for it. I have just cancelled a couple of magazine subscriptions because my reading back log is getting silly, so there is still a net gain in my finances, plus doing it in one hit means it's only just over 2 quid a month, one beer.
Sat down to watch LaFerrari last night and was disticntly unimpressed by the speed of the buffering. I thought I better check this out before writing something somewhere...
Tried some other videos, better but still bad. Tried Speedhunters website, wow how slow.
Speed test.
Download 0.35 Mb/s... yes, its shocking but we only normally get 1.35
Upload 0.45 Mb/s... wtf...
Christ knows what was going on there!
Sat down to watch LaFerrari last night and was disticntly unimpressed by the speed of the buffering. I thought I better check this out before writing something somewhere...
Tried some other videos, better but still bad. Tried Speedhunters website, wow how slow.
Speed test.
Download 0.35 Mb/s... yes, its shocking but we only normally get 1.35
Upload 0.45 Mb/s... wtf...
Christ knows what was going on there!
Is the 2% not a target they need to make it viable? The views on here that they are prepared to write-off 98% of their audience is a little misleading no? Surely more than 2% of regular viewers will end up subscribing anyway whether it's now or in 2,3,6,12 months time?
The comments about paying for "everything" on YouTube got me thinking though. My take on it is that this isn't all that different to the way TV now is. I pay for Sky as I want the chance to see most of what they offer, but by no means all of it. I pay and I watch what I want to watch. I don't shell out for the Sky Sports channels, but I do pay extra for BT Sport as I want to see MotoGP, UFC and some of the American stuff they show. Whenever these things change though, there's a decision to make. I made the decision that I'm happy to pay for the content I want and don't pay for the subscription stuff I don't want, it works for me anyway. If there's something I want on a channel I don't have then there's a choice to make. Pay and watch or don't pay and don't.
The Drive+ thing is the same no? I want to watch Drive and view the £2.50 per month as at least half-decent value. In fact, it's good value really for the amount of time I spend watching it over the month (based on the two years so far anyway). If this changes and I stop watching it for reasons of time, quality, interest then I'll unsubscribe just like I would with TV. I won't pay for content I don't want from other channels and if it gets to the point that most of YouTube goes pay monthly then I need to decide again what I'll pay for. I pay for what I want to see, everyone else pays for what they want to see and each customer funds what they are interested in. Successful ones producing what their audience want will work (Sky), unsuccessful ones won't (Setanta). Whichever camp Drive+ lands in will depend on a lot of current unknowns, but the fact that my £2.50 should help them provide content I want and hopefully further improve it by increasing their budget and in turn increase my enjoyment of it, then I'm happy with that.
It's the old adage - you pays your money...
Andy
The comments about paying for "everything" on YouTube got me thinking though. My take on it is that this isn't all that different to the way TV now is. I pay for Sky as I want the chance to see most of what they offer, but by no means all of it. I pay and I watch what I want to watch. I don't shell out for the Sky Sports channels, but I do pay extra for BT Sport as I want to see MotoGP, UFC and some of the American stuff they show. Whenever these things change though, there's a decision to make. I made the decision that I'm happy to pay for the content I want and don't pay for the subscription stuff I don't want, it works for me anyway. If there's something I want on a channel I don't have then there's a choice to make. Pay and watch or don't pay and don't.
The Drive+ thing is the same no? I want to watch Drive and view the £2.50 per month as at least half-decent value. In fact, it's good value really for the amount of time I spend watching it over the month (based on the two years so far anyway). If this changes and I stop watching it for reasons of time, quality, interest then I'll unsubscribe just like I would with TV. I won't pay for content I don't want from other channels and if it gets to the point that most of YouTube goes pay monthly then I need to decide again what I'll pay for. I pay for what I want to see, everyone else pays for what they want to see and each customer funds what they are interested in. Successful ones producing what their audience want will work (Sky), unsuccessful ones won't (Setanta). Whichever camp Drive+ lands in will depend on a lot of current unknowns, but the fact that my £2.50 should help them provide content I want and hopefully further improve it by increasing their budget and in turn increase my enjoyment of it, then I'm happy with that.
It's the old adage - you pays your money...
Andy
Megaflow said:
After some thought I decided to go for it. I have just cancelled a couple of magazine subscriptions because my reading back log is getting silly, so there is still a net gain in my finances, plus doing it in one hit means it's only just over 2 quid a month, one beer.
Sat down to watch LaFerrari last night and was disticntly unimpressed by the speed of the buffering. I thought I better check this out before writing something somewhere...
Tried some other videos, better but still bad. Tried Speedhunters website, wow how slow.
Speed test.
Download 0.35 Mb/s... yes, its shocking but we only normally get 1.35
Upload 0.45 Mb/s... wtf...
Christ knows what was going on there!
This made me wonder - is YouTube+ any slicker in terms of speed and buffering in general than "normal" YouTube? I normally have a hell of a time with YouTube up here where I stay for work (Aberdeenshire) but at home (Central Scotland) where I have my own broadband setup and pay for a little more speed, it's superb.Sat down to watch LaFerrari last night and was disticntly unimpressed by the speed of the buffering. I thought I better check this out before writing something somewhere...
Tried some other videos, better but still bad. Tried Speedhunters website, wow how slow.
Speed test.
Download 0.35 Mb/s... yes, its shocking but we only normally get 1.35
Upload 0.45 Mb/s... wtf...
Christ knows what was going on there!
I watched the LaFerrari video this morning up here and expected it to be slow and buffer etc. but it was super-slick and streamed perfectly.
I have subscribed for 12mth to give it a go, the way I see it, I enjoy C H tests & think he has evolved into an excellent reviewer, much more so than anything else available. As for the cost, well it's cheaper than the £140 pa I pay for bbc, as I stopped watching every episode of plop gear two seasons ago. I probably watch one program a month on bbc channels & I refuse to watch bbc news.
For me, Drive's test of the P1 was the best & still is the best steer of that car, top gear was typical flashy Michael Bay style photography with usual JC exaggeration for effect & a reviewer who obviously could't drive the car any where near it's potential.
For me, Drive's test of the P1 was the best & still is the best steer of that car, top gear was typical flashy Michael Bay style photography with usual JC exaggeration for effect & a reviewer who obviously could't drive the car any where near it's potential.
It's kind of ironic that they've launched the new 'paid' service with the LaFerrari vid which is distinctly poor in terms of visual and sound quality, compared to what Drive are suppose to be offering within this deal. I can only hope this improves! Massive fan of CH videos, which is the only reason I've subscribed (can't stand most of the yank guys) but with the USA bias, I can't see myself enjoying much of the other content when available.
Can we as a Pistonhead community not have a similar platform suited to our interests in the UK and Chris be part of that, as well as a few of the other independent reviews found on Youtube, some of which are very good (on a budget).
Can we as a Pistonhead community not have a similar platform suited to our interests in the UK and Chris be part of that, as well as a few of the other independent reviews found on Youtube, some of which are very good (on a budget).
Craikeybaby said:
Subscribed. But I'm a bit disappointed that I can't access the Drive+ channel on my Apple TV. I don't mind paying for quality content, but it feels like the delivery method isn't ready yet.
You can airplay it via the YT iOS app.The ATV YouTube app is written and managed by Apple -in the same way that the old iOS youtube app was, so it rarely gets updates. Bit of a pain, but hopefully it will be resolved soon. Anyway as mentioned for now the work around is to Airplay.
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3005048?...
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