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Can someone please confirm or deny this - one of those where I'm sorry I got involved and tried to help.
A friend's car was due it's MOT and she basically left it until the last minute. She had a broken lens on the rear light (fail) so I quickly sourced a replacement so she could get it in for test.
There must have been a few variants of light on the model as although the unit fitted, the light pattern was different. I was in a rush and didn't notice this at the time. I just did a quick check that all the bulbs worked.
It failed on the mismatched pattern from one side to the other - is this correct.
(And of course it's all my fault even though it would have failed anyway as it was)
A friend's car was due it's MOT and she basically left it until the last minute. She had a broken lens on the rear light (fail) so I quickly sourced a replacement so she could get it in for test.
There must have been a few variants of light on the model as although the unit fitted, the light pattern was different. I was in a rush and didn't notice this at the time. I just did a quick check that all the bulbs worked.
It failed on the mismatched pattern from one side to the other - is this correct.
(And of course it's all my fault even though it would have failed anyway as it was)
http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4s01000101.htm
This would suggest it's not a reason for failure
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This would suggest it's not a reason for failure
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Edited by StevenB on Wednesday 30th July 14:31
Retroman said:
I'm happy to be corrected but i thought that was a reason for failure on the headlights only.
A cracked rear lens isn't a failure unless there are sharp edges or white light shines through. Some tap usually sorts that.
It had a 1.5 inch hole in it - either a stone, reversing incident or some suchA cracked rear lens isn't a failure unless there are sharp edges or white light shines through. Some tap usually sorts that.
StevenB said:
http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4s01000101.htm
This would suggest it's not a reason for failure
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It says incorrectly positioned and gives a description of what to check ?This would suggest it's not a reason for failure
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Edited by StevenB on Wednesday 30th July 14:31
ETA (as in they need to be in the same place)
Edited by Jimmyarm on Wednesday 30th July 16:45
over_the_hill said:
It had a 1.5 inch hole in it - either a stone, reversing incident or some such
I've passed three MoT's with similar in a rear lense.There is no lamp behind that section of the lens, it's more decorative than purposeful, I suppose that could be why it passed.
Tester has never mentioned it.
As long as the bulbs are lighting the correct colour for the relevant functions I can't see the problem, a number of cars have different clusters one side to the other, some only have reverse lights (white) on one side and some only have fog light on one side, so appear different one side to the other?
Gary
Gary
jaf01uk said:
As long as the bulbs are lighting the correct colour for the relevant functions I can't see the problem, a number of cars have different clusters one side to the other, some only have reverse lights (white) on one side and some only have fog light on one side, so appear different one side to the other?
Gary
Reverse light isn't part of the MOT test, and only 1 fog light is needed by law and the MOT as long as it's on the right hand side.Gary
Retroman said:
Reverse light isn't part of the MOT test, and only 1 fog light is needed by law and the MOT as long as it's on the right hand side.
He's not arguing whether you need a reversing light or which side the fog light is on, he's stating that some manufacturers make differing light units from left to right. Good a rear shot of a 2006 Mazda 3 and you'll see one light cluster has the fog light and the other a reversing light, thus making them not the same pattern.
Camaro said:
Retroman said:
Reverse light isn't part of the MOT test, and only 1 fog light is needed by law and the MOT as long as it's on the right hand side.
He's not arguing whether you need a reversing light or which side the fog light is on, he's stating that some manufacturers make differing light units from left to right. Good a rear shot of a 2006 Mazda 3 and you'll see one light cluster has the fog light and the other a reversing light, thus making them not the same pattern.
Camaro said:
He's not arguing whether you need a reversing light or which side the fog light is on, he's stating that some manufacturers make differing light units from left to right.
Good a rear shot of a 2006 Mazda 3 and you'll see one light cluster has the fog light and the other a reversing light, thus making them not the same pattern.
You are all missing the point of the MOT rules that have been linked.Good a rear shot of a 2006 Mazda 3 and you'll see one light cluster has the fog light and the other a reversing light, thus making them not the same pattern.
The lights (side, brake, indicator) must be in the same position on each side of the car. The fact that one side has a reverse light in the cluster and the other a fog light is irrelevant to the actual position of the tested lights.
When I say 'lights' it is the bit of the light unit that illuminates for each operation, not the posistion of the unit as a whole that is relevant.
mudster said:
I think the point being that the brake and tail lights (i.e. where a pair are required for MOT) are in the same position. Fog and reversing are more flexible in location for an MOT and the different locations in the cluster are therefore unimportant.
Jimmyarm said:
You are all missing the point of the MOT rules that have been linked.
The lights (side, brake, indicator) must be in the same position on each side of the car. The fact that one side has a reverse light in the cluster and the other a fog light is irrelevant to the actual position of the tested lights.
When I say 'lights' it is the bit of the light unit that illuminates for each operation, not the posistion of the unit as a whole that is relevant.
<points upwards, towards suggestion of a photo being useful>The lights (side, brake, indicator) must be in the same position on each side of the car. The fact that one side has a reverse light in the cluster and the other a fog light is irrelevant to the actual position of the tested lights.
When I say 'lights' it is the bit of the light unit that illuminates for each operation, not the posistion of the unit as a whole that is relevant.
V8LM said:
"Note: The precise position of obligatory lamps
is not part of the inspection, but check visually
that the lamps are at about the same height and
the same distance from each side of the vehicle"
Not a reason for failure.
Except the full text is is not part of the inspection, but check visually
that the lamps are at about the same height and
the same distance from each side of the vehicle"
Not a reason for failure.
Check that the lamps:
a. are correctly positioned and secure
Note: The precise position of obligatory lamps is not part of the inspection, but check visually that the lamps are at about the same height and the same distance from each side of the vehicle.
b....
and reason for failure
3. An obligatory lamp: a. missing, insecure, obviously incorrectly positioned or does not face to the front or rear as appropriate
So if one side has position/brake lights in a different spot to the other then they would be obviously incorrectly positioned, which is not the same as precisely conforming to min separation to other lights and distance from ground/edge of vehicle
V8LM said:
"Note: The precise position of obligatory lamps
is not part of the inspection, but check visually
that the lamps are at about the same height and
the same distance from each side of the vehicle"
Not a reason for failure.
Yes, reason for failure. "Obviously incorrectly positioned". Don't worry about absolute millimetric positioning, but so long as they're reasonably obviously a pair - which these aren't - pass.is not part of the inspection, but check visually
that the lamps are at about the same height and
the same distance from each side of the vehicle"
Not a reason for failure.
http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4s01000101.htm
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