997 diffrence between 4s & 4???

997 diffrence between 4s & 4???

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iaiin

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406 posts

248 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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hi, just about to get a 997 widebody , so i presummed the widebody were all 4S, but in classifieds i saw a 4 widebody ? not S on the back when you looked on rear of car? also it did not have quad tailpipes but longer slotted ones ? is this a proper model?
bit confused really as i want widebody for looks but did not relise you can get other models with wide body ?
any help would be great please ??
thanks Ian

jetbox

218 posts

160 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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Different engines and therefore performance between the s and non s model. Both are wide body though

iaiin

Original Poster:

406 posts

248 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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jetbox said:
Different engines and therefore performance between the s and non s model. Both are wide body though
cheers , is their much diffrence? only ever seen 1 c4 (without s) also someone has e mailed me a c2S with wide body,is that right ??
any help cheers

gl20

1,121 posts

148 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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iaiin said:
cheers , is their much diffrence? only ever seen 1 c4 (without s) also someone has e mailed me a c2S with wide body,is that right ??
any help cheers
Doesn't sound right. Someone else might correct me, but I think the only wide-bodied 2WD are the GTS and the GTX models.

Adam B

27,142 posts

253 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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4 are all wide body, by an extra 44mm IIRC
2 are not

S is more powerful and had some extra kit
S has round quad exhaust, non S has twin flat

iaiin

Original Poster:

406 posts

248 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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Adam B said:
4 are all wide body, by an extra 44mm IIRC
2 are not

S is more powerful and had some extra kit
S has round quad exhaust, non S has twin flat
Thats great, the add for 2s wide body must be a dud then ! The 4 seems a bit of a waste of time as been looking for a few months now & this is first one i have seen ? cant be many of them built ?
sounds like 4s for me...
thanks again

TheBMWDriver

591 posts

153 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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having owned both a 4 and a 2S the 2S is a nicer car to drive. Test drive them both before buying.

And a Non S can have the quad exhaust pipes if the car has PSE.

tuffer

8,849 posts

266 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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If the budget will stretch the GTS is the one to go for.

alexisn

248 posts

134 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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Having owned a 997.1 C2S and now a 997.2 C4S I find the 4 vastly superior. It doesn't bob, lurch, understeer and weave like the 2, it's much quicker and planted.

WindyMiller67

426 posts

139 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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The C4 has a 3.6l engine and the C4S has the 3.8l. The C4S had a better spec but as others have said the C4 could be specced up too. One of these options is the PASM (active suspension) wasn't standard on the C4. It's worth having for the UK's potholed roads IMO. When you're looking at an ad, look at the bottom row of switches in front of the gear selector - these are the options. They all have the switch to raise and lower the spoiler, and to disable PSM. The other ones to look for are PASM (shock absorber symbol) and if you can PSE (twin exhaust pipe symbol). The Sport (chrono) is good too!
I think the C2 was a good idea because you could argue it was a pure 911 experience - 2Wd and no frills. I can't see that a C4 makes so much sense and might be hard to move on later, so definitely go for a C4S if you want the wide body and all-wheel drive.
They are heavier of course and less efficient but most of the time the power is going through the rear wheels anyway. It's not until situations like booting out of a wet roundabout that all-wheel drive makes the difference as the power goes to the front wheels and pulls you out!
HTH

wilkos

197 posts

237 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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alexisn said:
Having owned a 997.1 C2S and now a 997.2 C4S I find the 4 vastly superior. It doesn't bob, lurch, understeer and weave like the 2, it's much quicker and planted.
Most of that is the difference between a .1 and a.2, not 2wd to 4wd.


Callughan

6,312 posts

191 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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wilkos said:
alexisn said:
Having owned a 997.1 C2S and now a 997.2 C4S I find the 4 vastly superior. It doesn't bob, lurch, understeer and weave like the 2, it's much quicker and planted.
Most of that is the difference between a .1 and a.2, not 2wd to 4wd.
I disagree, when I had a 997.2 c2s I was slower around corners than in 997.1 4s and at high speed 4S felt more planted. Prehaps because I'm a st driver but with a 4S you are allowed to besmile

Saying that I found the car to compliant and boring compared to my 996.

Nice article on 4s:
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/5784...

tuffer

8,849 posts

266 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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I just had my GTS (2 wheel drive) serviced and they adjusted the geometry as it was out slightly at the front. Has made a MASSIVE difference to the feel of the car, front feels absolutely nailed compared to previous skitishness. Obviously these cars are very geo sensitive.

alexisn

248 posts

134 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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wilkos said:
alexisn said:
Having owned a 997.1 C2S and now a 997.2 C4S I find the 4 vastly superior. It doesn't bob, lurch, understeer and weave like the 2, it's much quicker and planted.
Most of that is the difference between a .1 and a.2, not 2wd to 4wd.
Well, my 996 C4 was better handling than the 997 C2S. The C2S bobbed, weaved, lurched all over the place and this is not a one of, well known characteristic. I owned it for eight months before going back to a four. The 996 was great but the 997 much better except for the noise. This I do miss, having had air cooled and the 996 the 997 is just too quiet, you really can get quite a shock glancing at the speedo as the 'wail' is not there.

Edited by alexisn on Friday 1st August 12:41

Adam B

27,142 posts

253 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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TheBMWDriver said:
And a Non S can have the quad exhaust pipes if the car has PSE.
good point although PSE rare on non-S

Iaiin - PSE easy to spot on 997.1 - quad exhaust with smaller inner pipes. Whether 2 or 4 get an S for the extra spec and punch for not much extra £

uktrailmonster

4,827 posts

199 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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alexisn said:
the 997 is just too quiet, you really can get quite a shock glancing at the speedo as the 'wail' is not there.
Yeah, I've noticed that too. I also miss the 996 exhaust note, mine had a Manthey exhaust which sounded great at full chat. The 997 is a much better car overall though and I certainly wouldn't go back. But in hindsight I wish my 997 had the sports exhaust, but other than that it's awesome (997.2 C4S)

hondansx

4,562 posts

224 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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alexisn said:
Having owned a 997.1 C2S and now a 997.2 C4S I find the 4 vastly superior. It doesn't bob, lurch, understeer and weave like the 2, it's much quicker and planted.
Made the same move and completely agree! The ride is also nicer.

Worth noting the Gen 2 C4S had the better Turbo 4WD system, making it quicker on track than the C2S in the dry and of course easily quicker in the wet.

drmark

4,794 posts

185 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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Gen 1 4S quicker around a track than 2S according to Tiff needell's test on 5th gear. But times aside I much prefer the 4S helm on b roads. Do try both - they are surprisingly different. Both good in their own way.

spyderman8

1,748 posts

155 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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alexisn said:
Having owned a 997.1 C2S and now a 997.2 C4S I find the 4 vastly superior. It doesn't bob, lurch, understeer and weave like the 2, it's much quicker and planted.
Get a decent geo done - or stick a couple of sacks in the front boot - and a C2 won't either.

uktrailmonster

4,827 posts

199 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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spyderman8 said:
or stick a couple of sacks in the front boot - and a C2 won't either.
Then it will understeer even more. Increased mass does not equate to more grip, contrary to popular belief and mythology.