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Long post but if I don’t tell you where I am you will tell me that what I’m looking at is prohibitably expensive.
Planning to build a car to run in Endurance Races in SE Asia next year. Current favorite is an XKR, as all the drivers will be British, a Jag would fit in and be different from the Jap rubbish. Price is good, and build cost would be acceptable, can import duty free as a race car. But obvious problem is the Auto box, not too worried about this in itself. I’m sure I can find a Holden or Ford box and diff in Australia, and a dog box is available at a realistic price, and have access to the machinery and skills to make a bell housing, peddle box etc. Rules allow for the suspension to be fabricated and rose jointed, and will fabricate all our own suspension arms wishbones and upgrade the brakes using Japanese’s parts, done all this on previous cars.
But my research tells me I need an electrical 'black' box to ‘fool’ the ECU into thinking it has the auto, otherwise the ECU shuts down, this appears to be a potential show stopper as they were hugely expensive when the car was current and would I assume be very hard to find today.
Again my research suggests that this is due to needing the original ECU to run all the auxiliaries. I don’t want to use the instruments, or the ABS, simple rev meter, water oil temp etc, obviously things like immobilizers central looking will not be used, will probably use Japanese fuel pumps as these are available and spares etc will be easier and cheaper, exhaust will be fabricated as a one off.
All the ECU will run is the engine, and at last my question. Is there any reason I can’t run an aftermarket mapable ECU like Haltech and get rid of the Jag ECU? Thereby removing the need for ‘black box’.
As we will be striping the car and there is no market for the spares here I am also thinking about stripping in the UK, and selling everything but the shell, engine, doors etc, this would aid the import a car then obviously not be seen as a fiddle to get in a road car duty free. What’s the market like for XKR spare in the UK would it be worth the expense to strip it there? Or better to ship complete to a lower labour cost area and dump the spare? I am reluctant to dump spares that other people may use.to keep cars on the road.
Planning to build a car to run in Endurance Races in SE Asia next year. Current favorite is an XKR, as all the drivers will be British, a Jag would fit in and be different from the Jap rubbish. Price is good, and build cost would be acceptable, can import duty free as a race car. But obvious problem is the Auto box, not too worried about this in itself. I’m sure I can find a Holden or Ford box and diff in Australia, and a dog box is available at a realistic price, and have access to the machinery and skills to make a bell housing, peddle box etc. Rules allow for the suspension to be fabricated and rose jointed, and will fabricate all our own suspension arms wishbones and upgrade the brakes using Japanese’s parts, done all this on previous cars.
But my research tells me I need an electrical 'black' box to ‘fool’ the ECU into thinking it has the auto, otherwise the ECU shuts down, this appears to be a potential show stopper as they were hugely expensive when the car was current and would I assume be very hard to find today.
Again my research suggests that this is due to needing the original ECU to run all the auxiliaries. I don’t want to use the instruments, or the ABS, simple rev meter, water oil temp etc, obviously things like immobilizers central looking will not be used, will probably use Japanese fuel pumps as these are available and spares etc will be easier and cheaper, exhaust will be fabricated as a one off.
All the ECU will run is the engine, and at last my question. Is there any reason I can’t run an aftermarket mapable ECU like Haltech and get rid of the Jag ECU? Thereby removing the need for ‘black box’.
As we will be striping the car and there is no market for the spares here I am also thinking about stripping in the UK, and selling everything but the shell, engine, doors etc, this would aid the import a car then obviously not be seen as a fiddle to get in a road car duty free. What’s the market like for XKR spare in the UK would it be worth the expense to strip it there? Or better to ship complete to a lower labour cost area and dump the spare? I am reluctant to dump spares that other people may use.to keep cars on the road.
Tony at Paragon Design UK built his own XKR race car with an off board ECU to run just the engine. http://www.paragondesignuk.com/pics/ENG5a.jpg
Trevor at Penge Jaguars Spares would likely have a donor car that could be stripped by him and he sells the spares
Trevor at Penge Jaguars Spares would likely have a donor car that could be stripped by him and he sells the spares
There was also an italian team (Ferlito motors) who was running with an XFR in the superstar championship. There the gearbox was standard and not the Jaguar one so they might be able to help. They were using the 4.2 liters initially (they even won the championship with an S-Type) and then the 5 liters on the XFR
They are not racing anymore now with the Jaguars and cannot find their site at the moment but will look for them
They are not racing anymore now with the Jaguars and cannot find their site at the moment but will look for them
If you need a rolling shell,please contact us Penge Jags,on 02087780948,regards Trevor. www.jagspares.net
I make the road going Manual conversion for the XKR inc the Black Box
I can supply just the machanics, bell housing, clutch, throw, gearbox, prop including the Clutch/Brake pedal box
Also I would recomend changing the Open diff to a Limited Slip, can supply that as well
Give me a call on +44 7860 558808 or eMail ndurban@aol.com
I can supply just the machanics, bell housing, clutch, throw, gearbox, prop including the Clutch/Brake pedal box
Also I would recomend changing the Open diff to a Limited Slip, can supply that as well
Give me a call on +44 7860 558808 or eMail ndurban@aol.com
Edited by NormanD on Sunday 3rd August 14:24
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