Discussion
Hi I have a Red Rose Tuscan and I have just driven a friends S .
Are there more Red Roses than S on the road are the Red Roses becoming harder to find .
There is nothing in performance between the two.
The Red Rose has had a engine rebuild and feels more torque than the S which is on the original engine.
Are there more Red Roses than S on the road are the Red Roses becoming harder to find .
There is nothing in performance between the two.
The Red Rose has had a engine rebuild and feels more torque than the S which is on the original engine.
Sorry for misunderstanding,
The 4.3 has a forged crankshaft, all others not!!!!! This is the important Point!!
Performance should be nearly same for a Red Rose and Tuscan S engine!
The way to get more power should be nearly same for a Red Rose and S engine, but none of them has a forged crank.
But you even can find a normal engine which is as strong as a Red Rose
Red rose was named before Tvr found the Tuscan S.
So when Tuscan S (including several other upgrades not engine related) was released you did not get a Red Rose engine anymore.
I think Red Rose engines are more seldom than Tuscan s, due to lower numbers built.
If you feel that Red Rose is better performing, it can be result of rebuilt or
different cam timing of the Red Rose engine.
It is a fact that Tvr engines have a lot more spread in power and/or torque (and building tolerances)than other engines, due to hand built.
But for Buyers it should be most important to get a Tuscan with a proper rebuilt.
I know what i am saying, my 4.0 only run 2 years before needing rebuilt, my 4.0s MK2, got blown
after 600mls of my ownership.(but i still had my rebuilt engine in my hands, so it was only engine swap
to get my MK2 back on the road)
Uwe
The 4.3 has a forged crankshaft, all others not!!!!! This is the important Point!!
Performance should be nearly same for a Red Rose and Tuscan S engine!
The way to get more power should be nearly same for a Red Rose and S engine, but none of them has a forged crank.
But you even can find a normal engine which is as strong as a Red Rose
Red rose was named before Tvr found the Tuscan S.
So when Tuscan S (including several other upgrades not engine related) was released you did not get a Red Rose engine anymore.
I think Red Rose engines are more seldom than Tuscan s, due to lower numbers built.
If you feel that Red Rose is better performing, it can be result of rebuilt or
different cam timing of the Red Rose engine.
It is a fact that Tvr engines have a lot more spread in power and/or torque (and building tolerances)than other engines, due to hand built.
But for Buyers it should be most important to get a Tuscan with a proper rebuilt.
I know what i am saying, my 4.0 only run 2 years before needing rebuilt, my 4.0s MK2, got blown
after 600mls of my ownership.(but i still had my rebuilt engine in my hands, so it was only engine swap
to get my MK2 back on the road)
Uwe
Tuscanuwe said:
Sorry for misunderstanding,
The 4.3 has a forged crankshaft, all others not!!!!! This is the important Point!!
Performance should be nearly same for a Red Rose and Tuscan S engine!
The way to get more power should be nearly same for a Red Rose and S engine, but none of them has a forged crank.
But you even can find a normal engine which is as strong as a Red Rose
Red rose was named before Tvr found the Tuscan S.
So when Tuscan S (including several other upgrades not engine related) was released you did not get a Red Rose engine anymore.
I think Red Rose engines are more seldom than Tuscan s, due to lower numbers built.
If you feel that Red Rose is better performing, it can be result of rebuilt or
different cam timing of the Red Rose engine.
It is a fact that Tvr engines have a lot more spread in power and/or torque (and building tolerances)than other engines, due to hand built.
But for Buyers it should be most important to get a Tuscan with a proper rebuilt.
I know what i am saying, my 4.0 only run 2 years before needing rebuilt, my 4.0s MK2, got blown
after 600mls of my ownership.(but i still had my rebuilt engine in my hands, so it was only engine swap
to get my MK2 back on the road)
Uwe
Good info, my red rose was rebuilt at power in 2008 and is going strong. I have never had to top up the oil as it hasn't used any. I think in the real world there isn't much to pick between all the tuscans apart from the modded cars, 4.3 - 4.5 etcThe 4.3 has a forged crankshaft, all others not!!!!! This is the important Point!!
Performance should be nearly same for a Red Rose and Tuscan S engine!
The way to get more power should be nearly same for a Red Rose and S engine, but none of them has a forged crank.
But you even can find a normal engine which is as strong as a Red Rose
Red rose was named before Tvr found the Tuscan S.
So when Tuscan S (including several other upgrades not engine related) was released you did not get a Red Rose engine anymore.
I think Red Rose engines are more seldom than Tuscan s, due to lower numbers built.
If you feel that Red Rose is better performing, it can be result of rebuilt or
different cam timing of the Red Rose engine.
It is a fact that Tvr engines have a lot more spread in power and/or torque (and building tolerances)than other engines, due to hand built.
But for Buyers it should be most important to get a Tuscan with a proper rebuilt.
I know what i am saying, my 4.0 only run 2 years before needing rebuilt, my 4.0s MK2, got blown
after 600mls of my ownership.(but i still had my rebuilt engine in my hands, so it was only engine swap
to get my MK2 back on the road)
Uwe
Tuscanuwe said:
Sorry for misunderstanding,
The 4.3 has a forged crankshaft, all others not!!!!! This is the important Point!!
Performance should be nearly same for a Red Rose and Tuscan S engine!
The way to get more power should be nearly same for a Red Rose and S engine, but none of them has a forged crank.
But you even can find a normal engine which is as strong as a Red Rose
Red rose was named before Tvr found the Tuscan S.
So when Tuscan S (including several other upgrades not engine related) was released you did not get a Red Rose engine anymore.
I think Red Rose engines are more seldom than Tuscan s, due to lower numbers built.
If you feel that Red Rose is better performing, it can be result of rebuilt or
different cam timing of the Red Rose engine.
It is a fact that Tvr engines have a lot more spread in power and/or torque (and building tolerances)than other engines, due to hand built.
But for Buyers it should be most important to get a Tuscan with a proper rebuilt.
I know what i am saying, my 4.0 only run 2 years before needing rebuilt, my 4.0s MK2, got blown
after 600mls of my ownership.(but i still had my rebuilt engine in my hands, so it was only engine swap
to get my MK2 back on the road)
Uwe
Kind of misleading reply... Infact wrong. The 4.3 has a forged crankshaft, all others not!!!!! This is the important Point!!
Performance should be nearly same for a Red Rose and Tuscan S engine!
The way to get more power should be nearly same for a Red Rose and S engine, but none of them has a forged crank.
But you even can find a normal engine which is as strong as a Red Rose
Red rose was named before Tvr found the Tuscan S.
So when Tuscan S (including several other upgrades not engine related) was released you did not get a Red Rose engine anymore.
I think Red Rose engines are more seldom than Tuscan s, due to lower numbers built.
If you feel that Red Rose is better performing, it can be result of rebuilt or
different cam timing of the Red Rose engine.
It is a fact that Tvr engines have a lot more spread in power and/or torque (and building tolerances)than other engines, due to hand built.
But for Buyers it should be most important to get a Tuscan with a proper rebuilt.
I know what i am saying, my 4.0 only run 2 years before needing rebuilt, my 4.0s MK2, got blown
after 600mls of my ownership.(but i still had my rebuilt engine in my hands, so it was only engine swap
to get my MK2 back on the road)
Uwe
Some of the early speed sixes had a plain cast crank as well as billet cranks in some of the red rose cars . Obviously the plain cast iron cranks had issues.
As the design progressed tvr moved to a ADI cranks. ADI stands for austempered ductile iron. I won't explain the process you can read about it here and how it was utilised in tvr crank design http://www.appliedprocess.com/Custom/Document/GetF...
The link compares it to billet cranks.
Chevy have used ADI cranks in LS engines these have all been good for over 500 hp. So an ADI crank in a speed six should really not be an issue. The primary issue is the rods. In a lot of the standard rebuilds the rods are reused.
Edited by m4tti on Sunday 3rd August 11:40
Tuscanny said:
I did mate not much between them .I think with mines having the nitrons made a big difference in the handling.
I will take you up on that offer and see what this engine is all about.
Get back on the 15th (barring fog) and on Monday the 18th have a day at Knockhill so as long as its not raining I can really see what it can do. I really like the nitrons although mine is set up firm. Think my diff is getting worn though been looking at quaife ones.I will take you up on that offer and see what this engine is all about.
Catch you when I get back and see if we can go for a wee drive.
G
Edited by boardinscotland on Saturday 2nd August 22:25
wongthecorrupter said:
i reckon the the red rose is less common and in some ways more special as the Tuscan s is is no pretty car
The S is still a Tuscan, so I'd definitely hesitate to say it wasn't pretty! But the spoiler is exactly that... Spoils the beautiful lines of the boot.Curiously my car says Tuscan S in the V5 and on all the badging, but has the original rear end lights and bodywork. It has the RR tune engine and the uprated brakes of the S too but not the CR gearbox. I suspect there are probably quite a few cars with an "in between" spec.
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