A5 2.0T remapping advice

[AJB88]

for me BCS Powervalve or Scorpion if they do one for the car, if not then Milltek

[Jamin00]

Thanks to all for the advice.

Got it done by AMD Tuning and the gains are quite impressive to say the least.

Went from 197bhp to 269.8bhp and the torque was 254.7 and now is 305.6lb-ft


But while I was in their they sold me on a Miltek system. Gonna get that booked in and done as I will get 50% of my remapping cost today as credit when I do the Miltek system.


Happy camper, you bet

[Gio G]

AMD have very good maps, I know the person who writes them..You will be ripping up those front tyres!

G

[FuryExocet]

Have you thought about changing the anti roll bars, or fitting anti lift kit? May make putting the power down a bit easier.

I'll be going down the Shark route on my Vrs

[Jamin00]

Ive not no.

The front spins up very easily now but with a bit of control it pulls away very nicely but what could I fit to make it better. Im very new in this scene.


Also, it looks like Im going to fit a Milltek sport cat back quad outlet exhaust. They look nice and sound nice too from what I can find online.

[roddyp]

Jamin00 said:

The front spins up very easily now but with a bit of control it pulls away very nicely but what could I fit to make it better.

A: quattro ;-)

It's probably not easy to fix: Basically you have more power than mechanical grip, so you need more grip. Wider (and better) tyres could help, and you might need wider rims too. Worth getting the camber and castor alignment spot on to make sure you've got the best contact patch.

[SuperchargedVR6]

Jamin00 said:

Thanks to all for the advice.

Got it done by AMD Tuning and the gains are quite impressive to say the least.

Went from 197bhp to 269.8bhp and the torque was 254.7 and now is 305.6lb-ft


But while I was in their they sold me on a Miltek system. Gonna get that booked in and done as I will get 50% of my remapping cost today as credit when I do the Miltek system.

Which in reality will be ~ 250hp. AMD are well known to give out optimistic dyno sheets.

AMD & Milltek are in bed with each other, so I'm not surprised they pushed an exhaust system onto you. Pretty cr@p quality, especially the welding.

ManOpener said:

If someone was sold a vehicle that was not advertised as remapped, with no documentation indicating it was remapped, and there was no evidence of any further modifications made by either the customer or any previous customer, then I imagine that their answer to the question "does the vehicle have any modifications" would most likely be "no".

That happened to me and I did indeed answer "no".

In my case, an Edition 30 GTI. Bought from a VAG enthusiast dealer specialising in performance VWs and Audis. The guy said there is nothing in the history about remapping. I asked him specifically because it's very rare to find an unmapped TFSI these days.

The car absolutely flew on the test drive. Way faster than 230hp ought to feel. I had to insure it before I could drive it, obviously, but when I got it home I data logged the requested and actual boost pressures.

Sure enough, it was running 1.3 bar. .3 bar over standard. Taking a hunch it was a Revo Stage 1, I pulled the battery and low and behold, it's back to the factory 1 bar boost request. No need to tell the insurance company.

It is incredibly easy for someone who doesn't know VAGs to take it on face value that the car is just freakishly fast.
Very few people have the means to interrogate the ECU, or know what to look for once they do get in there.

The modifications question should be amended to: "To the best of your knowledge, is the car standard?". Rather than treating everyone with the same brush that we are all boy racers hiding things to get a cheaper premium.

[xjay1337]

SuperchargedVR6 said:

The modifications question should be amended to: "To the best of your knowledge, is the car standard?". Rather than treating everyone with the same brush that we are all boy racers hiding things to get a cheaper premium.

Because people don't do this at all.

[SuperchargedVR6]

xjay1337 said:

SuperchargedVR6 said:

The modifications question should be amended to: "To the best of your knowledge, is the car standard?". Rather than treating everyone with the same brush that we are all boy racers hiding things to get a cheaper premium.

Because people don't do this at all.

I don't.

I found out my car was remapped using the same method a claims assessor would. It's not rocket science. People who think the software in their ECU is invisible to insurance companies are sadly mistaken. Some people just get away with it as not all ins companies are THAT vigilant.

The people who do deliberately circumvent the system, get what they deserve come claim time.

[ManOpener]

SuperchargedVR6 said:

The modifications question should be amended to: "To the best of your knowledge, is the car standard?". Rather than treating everyone with the same brush that we are all boy racers hiding things to get a cheaper premium.

I think I'm right in saying the recent change in the law all but states this, by putting the onus on the insurers to prove that you've either actively or negligently deceived them about the presence of modifications. Still, I'm sure they have their ways of wriggling out of it.

[SuperchargedVR6]

ManOpener said:

SuperchargedVR6 said:

The modifications question should be amended to: "To the best of your knowledge, is the car standard?". Rather than treating everyone with the same brush that we are all boy racers hiding things to get a cheaper premium.

I think I'm right in saying the recent change in the law all but states this, by putting the onus on the insurers to prove that you've either actively or negligently deceived them about the presence of modifications. Still, I'm sure they have their ways of wriggling out of it.

They do. Just like VAG have their ways of wriggling out of warranty claims. MK5 wing rust being a good example, although they've had a recent about-turn on that, so I can only assume some lawyers got involved somewhere along the line.

[DoubleSix]

SuperchargedVR6 said:

ManOpener said:

SuperchargedVR6 said:

The modifications question should be amended to: "To the best of your knowledge, is the car standard?". Rather than treating everyone with the same brush that we are all boy racers hiding things to get a cheaper premium.

I think I'm right in saying the recent change in the law all but states this, by putting the onus on the insurers to prove that you've either actively or negligently deceived them about the presence of modifications. Still, I'm sure they have their ways of wriggling out of it.

They do. Just like VAG have their ways of wriggling out of warranty claims. MK5 wing rust being a good example, although they've had a recent about-turn on that, so I can only assume some lawyers got involved somewhere along the line.

Nothing a good lawyer wouldn't run rings round.

[xjay1337]

SuperchargedVR6 said:

I don't.

I found out my car was remapped using the same method a claims assessor would. It's not rocket science. People who think the software in their ECU is invisible to insurance companies are sadly mistaken. Some people just get away with it as not all ins companies are THAT vigilant.

The people who do deliberately circumvent the system, get what they deserve come claim time.

Unfortunately your car is still remapped despite your "battery pull" method.

I am a firm believer in declaring all of your mods, I've seen it first hand, the snooping they do on the internet. I also am aware that sponsers of forums keep a close eye.......

[DoubleSix]

xjay1337 said:

Unfortunately your car is still remapped despite your "battery pull" method.

I am a firm believer in declaring all of your mods, I've seen it first hand, the snooping they do on the internet. I also am aware that sponsers of forums keep a close eye.......

Tin foil hattery at it's finest.

[xjay1337]

DoubleSix said:

Tin foil hattery at it's finest.

Straw man fallacy I think you'll find.

[Jamin00]

SuperchargedVR6 said:

Which in reality will be ~ 250hp. AMD are well known to give out optimistic dyno sheets.

AMD & Milltek are in bed with each other, so I'm not surprised they pushed an exhaust system onto you. Pretty cr@p quality, especially the welding.

OK on the power but interesting on your opinion on the Milltek system.

Im by no means an expect on anything car modding etc but welding, yes so can I ask what you base that on? Also, they happened to be working on a car with a Milltek on which they invited me to look at and the quality looked good.
Regarding general opinions also for which I been looking since I have seen them range from "very good" to "one of the best out there" so would love to hear your experience which I suspect was bad with both Milltek and AMD??

[sumo69]

Gio G said:

AMD have very good maps, I know the person who writes them..You will be ripping up those front tyres!

G

So do they have a good one for the Golf R?? Do they actually "write" their own code?

I was told they have a tuning box solution giving around 350bhp but thats not as much as REVO quote for a genuine remap.

David

[xjay1337]

Jamin00 said:

OK on the power but interesting on your opinion on the Milltek system.

Im by no means an expect on anything car modding etc but welding, yes so can I ask what you base that on? Also, they happened to be working on a car with a Milltek on which they invited me to look at and the quality looked good.
Regarding general opinions also for which I been looking since I have seen them range from "very good" to "one of the best out there" so would love to hear your experience which I suspect was bad with both Milltek and AMD??

It is well known and documented the downpipe welds fail on the 90 degree bend from the turbo on the transversally mounted TFSI engines.
They are repaired under warranty but require you to send the downpipe to Miltek which is of course labour and time without your car...

[Neil_M]

Jamin00 said:

Hi guys.

Just recently got a very low milage 09 plate and am thinking of getting it remapped.

I have been told by Track and Road in Essex that I could easily expect gains of around 50bhp and up to 70nm torque.


Does anyone have experience with this company and remapping of this model?

I don't know much about cars and all this tuning etc as never done it but Im very impressed with this car in stock form and would love a bit more


Thanks in advance

Just wondering if you ever got the car done?

I've a 2.0T 211PS Quattro, I could be tempted to get done at APR.

http://www.goapr.co.uk/products/ecu_upgrade_20tsiv...

Some astounding torque gains. Certainly with the Quattro drive train, I'd suspect it would laugh it off.

I just wonder what it would be like to drive...

[AJB88]

xjay1337 said:

It is well known and documented the downpipe welds fail on the 90 degree bend from the turbo on the transversally mounted TFSI engines.
They are repaired under warranty but require you to send the downpipe to Miltek which is of course labour and time without your car...

Can back this up my Milltek DPF delete pipe for old PD170 had to be re-welded twice. When we removed the cat back section after 9 months it looked like it was 5 years old.

Scorpion system on the other hand looked brand new after 2 years.