Worst fears realized

Worst fears realized

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Speedraser

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1,656 posts

183 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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If this is true, Aston and AMG are shameful liars, and everything I've been worried about is happening. I'll have ZERO interest in an "Aston" that is powered by a retuned off-the-shelf AMG engine. When they announced the AMG deal, they clearly stated the engines would be "bespoke" for Aston Martin. NOTHING about this is bespoke. A massive, massive shame. I'm sure Benz platforms are next...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/aston-m...

V8V Pete

2,497 posts

126 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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Not sure it's that different from the Jaguar engine in your V8V. When does bespoke become bespoke?

Christian51

22 posts

119 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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If that is what it will look like, they lost it. The classic sophistication is gone in that design. Looks like the current DB9 will be my one and only.

tonyhall38

4,194 posts

216 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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Maserati comes to mind.....

hashluck

1,612 posts

275 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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tonyhall38 said:
Maserati comes to mind.....
I said as much about the last Autocar rendering but let us not panic

"this Autocar image shows how it might look...."

So why are we worried about what Autocar think it might look like? I am sure AM will not cock up the styling. What we do not know is exactly what will be under the skin and the sense of DNA we will or will not feel when sitting in it

BMCG

484 posts

136 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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Looks promising.....grace with substance....should be a damn good counter to Bentley. .....which does not seem to have suffered from VAG imbuing its brand with ....viability.

hashluck

1,612 posts

275 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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And it is not bespoke but it is bespoke!

"AMG will not provide a bespoke version for Aston. Instead, off-the-shelf engines will be modified to sound, respond and feel like an Aston Martin engine.

Modifications would extend to bespoke engine management and exhaust systems and possibly revised turbo boost pressures..."

That would probably do the trick without changing engine internals. The biggest change will be away from NA and there is not a lot they can do about that other than try to engineer the best from it for AM purposes as above

steveatesh

4,898 posts

164 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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AMG will not provide bespoke engines to AM?
Surely the whole strategy behind this is to avoid the development of a new engine to be built in small numbers because of costs so what's new?

My understanding was that they would take an existing AMG engine as the base material and fiddle around a bit to give it some unique AM features. Isn't that how we got the current V8 and V12 engines - they have their origins in other manufacturers (Ford?) and were made unique by AM engineers?


V12woollie

4,363 posts

145 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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I for one was never under the impression that AMG would let Aston fiddle with their engines but more the ECU, boost pressures, exhaust etc. Quite frankly, I am not sure how Aston would feel they could improve on an engine supplied by AMG anyway. It is a bit different utilising an AMG engine than it is taking a Jag block or two Ford V6s and modifying them to Aston requirements.

stimshady

1,307 posts

187 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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Would be weird if they end up calling it the DB12 but take the V12 out and put a V8 in!?

Maybe they'll use a letter, like the DBS. Maybe DBT (turbo?)

V8V Pete

2,497 posts

126 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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V12woollie said:
I am not sure how Aston would feel they could improve on an engine supplied by AMG anyway.
By making it generate a sound other than BARRRRPP.

Never really liked the AMG sound, hope that changes soon.

RichB

51,560 posts

284 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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As this is being discussed extensively on several threads on the AMOC forum I will repeat what I said there.

I don't yet see any reason to fear the Mercedes takeover at Aston Martin. Indeed, to me it appears to be a better match than were Ford. However when Ford took over the company was in desperate need of saving and the DB7 certainly achieved that, and despite what some may say, it's still one of the nicest looking Astons to my eyes. Aston Martin now find themselves in the same position with aging engines and platforms and I fail to see any alternative nor indeed do I understand why Mercedes is not a good owner for AML. Maybe I'm missing the point in which case I'm all willing to listen but people who say they want a thoroughbred British built car are deluding themselves, those days are long gone.

8Tech

2,136 posts

198 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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It may well be going a lot further than the engines.........

http://jalopnik.com/im-not-saying-mercedes-is-gonn...


V12woollie

4,363 posts

145 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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V8V Pete said:
V12woollie said:
I am not sure how Aston would feel they could improve on an engine supplied by AMG anyway.
By making it generate a sound other than BARRRRPP.

Never really liked the AMG sound, hope that changes soon.
You don't need to modify the engine to change the sound. Im sure the sound will be tuned to be more Aston like.

toohuge

3,434 posts

216 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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V8V Pete said:
By making it generate a sound other than BARRRRPP.

Never really liked the AMG sound, hope that changes soon.
Have you heard a Pagani Zonda? That's an AMG V12 and it sounds wonderful.

V8V Pete

2,497 posts

126 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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toohuge said:
V8V Pete said:
By making it generate a sound other than BARRRRPP.

Never really liked the AMG sound, hope that changes soon.
Have you heard a Pagani Zonda? That's an AMG V12 and it sounds wonderful.
Totally agree with that. However, we have so far only heard about V8s coming from AMG haven't we? And those appear to come with a couple of turbos vomit

CarbonV12V

1,154 posts

183 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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I have an AMG V8 with a couple of turbos and whilst it doesn't sound anywhere as good as my V12V; it would leave it for dead on most roads. However you can easily change the engine noise with manifolds/exhaust etc. What do you want performance or noise confused

Stuart Dickinson

998 posts

207 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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V8V Pete said:
toohuge said:
V8V Pete said:
By making it generate a sound other than BARRRRPP.

Never really liked the AMG sound, hope that changes soon.
Have you heard a Pagani Zonda? That's an AMG V12 and it sounds wonderful.
Totally agree with that. However, we have so far only heard about V8s coming from AMG haven't we? And those appear to come with a couple of turbos vomit
I'm expecting to see the AMG V8 offered in the Vantage, possibly with a sandbagged version and a more powerful version. The DB9 I think they will offer both the V8 and a large displacement V12, which might seem redundant based on the TT V8 capabilities, but Merc has done it in the past and always seems to sell a few of the V12's.

AMDBSNick

6,993 posts

162 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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RichB said:
As this is being discussed extensively on several threads on the AMOC forum I will repeat what I said there.

I don't yet see any reason to fear the Mercedes takeover at Aston Martin. Indeed, to me it appears to be a better match than were Ford. However when Ford took over the company was in desperate need of saving and the DB7 certainly achieved that, and despite what some may say, it's still one of the nicest looking Astons to my eyes. Aston Martin now find themselves in the same position with aging engines and platforms and I fail to see any alternative nor indeed do I understand why Mercedes is not a good owner for AML. Maybe I'm missing the point in which case I'm all willing to listen but people who say they want a thoroughbred British built car are deluding themselves, those days are long gone.
I'm with you Rich. When I wander into the garage I think WOW. I certainly don't stand there wondering about the component parts.

V8 Animal

5,921 posts

210 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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I test drove a SL 63 today at Brooklands twin turbo V8 570bhp AM new engine?