Driverless Cars and The Law
Discussion
Mr Taxpayer said:
Einion Yrth said:
Mr Taxpayer said:
Who says you're getting windows? Why not have a large HD TV screen and a HD camera outside? You can play GTA/Call of Duty on your way to work or the shops and just select the outside feed if you want to spot totty on the pavement.
I suspect that that would result in appalling motion sickness.turbobloke said:
Mr Taxpayer said:
Einion Yrth said:
Mr Taxpayer said:
Who says you're getting windows? Why not have a large HD TV screen and a HD camera outside? You can play GTA/Call of Duty on your way to work or the shops and just select the outside feed if you want to spot totty on the pavement.
I suspect that that would result in appalling motion sickness.My intent was to show that windows are a not an absolute requirement on an autonomous car as they are on a man-drive car. A colleague in a bus manufacturing company told me they could reduce doule-decker bus emissions by 10% if they replaced the big glass windows with airliner-style perspex portholes.
nipsips said:
I suppose its similar to the automated trains on the London Underground. Still have a driver on hand poised over the controller waiting for something to happen. End of the day its his train and he is responsible for it and its actions. I presume the car driving automation will be the same.
trhe DLR however is totally automated , 'train operators' on the effectively automated tube lines exist becasue the lines and services existed before the auomted train control ... much as 'secondmen ' remained in the cab of locos on the main line railway long after the ending of steam ( where the secondman was the 'fireman' and responsible for coal and water use) and the removal of guards from freightturbobloke said:
Who gets the points....?!!They're not that NIPpy...
The idea of allowing a driverless car to exceed speed limits for safety reasons doesn't sit well with the camera partnership messages on speeding, and as it's an absolute offence in the UK then surely the law would need to be changed to introduce another exemption.
The idea of allowing a driverless car to exceed speed limits for safety reasons doesn't sit well with the camera partnership messages on speeding, and as it's an absolute offence in the UK then surely the law would need to be changed to introduce another exemption.
turbobloke said:
The idea of allowing a driverless car to exceed speed limits for safety reasons doesn't sit well with the camera partnership messages on speeding, and as it's an absolute offence in the UK then surely the law would need to be changed to introduce another exemption.
The existing 10% +9mph for speed awareness courses, covers this more or less.But how does a driverless car go on a speeding awareness course?
lbc said:
The existing 10% +9mph for speed awareness courses, covers this more or less.
But how does a driverless car go on a speeding awareness course?
Just gets uploadedBut how does a driverless car go on a speeding awareness course?
it's mostly irrelevant data with a new instruction to keep it within 5%+2 of the speed limit
if it's late i will be refused entry, if it makes it on time still has to stay in the room right to the end, and it can't even eat the biscuits
otolith said:
Mr Taxpayer said:
otolith said:
I think it will very quickly become the case that fully autonomous cars are *much* cheaper to insure than manual ones. Especially for high risk drivers.
Very few people will actually 'own' autonomous cars. The most likely arrangement is that you'll part own one or buy time in one. Even if you do own, the drivers' experience will be irellevant since they aren't driving. Why do they even need a licence? Or be old enough to need a licence?The driving experience will no longer matter, but arguably it doesn't now. Most mainstream cars are utterly turgid to drive. What will matter will be how flash it looks, how comfortable it is, how well equipped it is.
If self driving cars were common then I would see no need for a daily drive. Why limit yourself to one car when you just book the car you need via your phone. It pulls up when you need it, then buggers off somewhere else when you don't. No maintenance, cleaning, garage space etc. More room and money for a fun car, perfect.
Lots of people do rely on taxis now and have no car of their own. I don't really see why the presence or absence of a driver would alter that either way, for most people. Maybe a bit cheaper I suppose. The big problem will remain having to wait for one to turn up, especially at peak times.
98elise said:
If self driving cars were common then I would see no need for a daily drive. Why limit yourself to one car when you just book the car you need via your phone. It pulls up when you need it, then buggers off somewhere else when you don't. No maintenance, cleaning, garage space etc. More room and money for a fun car, perfect.
But you're paying someone else to do the maintenance, cleaning, garaging, delivery mileage, etc. which is always going to be more expensive than doing it yourself.The potential saving is in the vehicle being used during the day when you just have it in a car park. That is offset by the inconvenience of having to wait every time you want to go anywhere.
Would be weird going to work in a brand new car and coming home in one that had covered 200,000 miles!
speedking31 said:
98elise said:
If self driving cars were common then I would see no need for a daily drive. Why limit yourself to one car when you just book the car you need via your phone. It pulls up when you need it, then buggers off somewhere else when you don't. No maintenance, cleaning, garage space etc. More room and money for a fun car, perfect.
But you're paying someone else to do the maintenance, cleaning, garaging, delivery mileage, etc. which is always going to be more expensive than doing it yourself.The potential saving is in the vehicle being used during the day when you just have it in a car park. That is offset by the inconvenience of having to wait every time you want to go anywhere.
Would be weird going to work in a brand new car and coming home in one that had covered 200,000 miles!
turbobloke said:
speedking31 said:
98elise said:
If self driving cars were common then I would see no need for a daily drive. Why limit yourself to one car when you just book the car you need via your phone. It pulls up when you need it, then buggers off somewhere else when you don't. No maintenance, cleaning, garage space etc. More room and money for a fun car, perfect.
But you're paying someone else to do the maintenance, cleaning, garaging, delivery mileage, etc. which is always going to be more expensive than doing it yourself.The potential saving is in the vehicle being used during the day when you just have it in a car park. That is offset by the inconvenience of having to wait every time you want to go anywhere.
Would be weird going to work in a brand new car and coming home in one that had covered 200,000 miles!
What about the health effects of being relieved of the stress of the daily commute and/or school run, which is the main factor in most peoples choice of automobile?
Mr Taxpayer said:
turbobloke said:
speedking31 said:
98elise said:
If self driving cars were common then I would see no need for a daily drive. Why limit yourself to one car when you just book the car you need via your phone. It pulls up when you need it, then buggers off somewhere else when you don't. No maintenance, cleaning, garage space etc. More room and money for a fun car, perfect.
But you're paying someone else to do the maintenance, cleaning, garaging, delivery mileage, etc. which is always going to be more expensive than doing it yourself.The potential saving is in the vehicle being used during the day when you just have it in a car park. That is offset by the inconvenience of having to wait every time you want to go anywhere.
Would be weird going to work in a brand new car and coming home in one that had covered 200,000 miles!
Ellaway said:
This has been explained away by saying that car owners come from a higher social class and have bigger incomes, which are connected to better health. [But] after eliminating the effects of age, social class and income, we found drivers to have better general health and less depression than people who used public transport.
Mr Taxpayer said:
What about the health effects of being relieved of the stress of the daily commute and/or school run, which is the main factor in most peoples choice of automobile?
Those events may well be stressful but if it's generally taking place in a car as opposed to public transport then it's already covered in the above research. ging84 said:
lbc said:
The existing 10% +9mph for speed awareness courses, covers this more or less.
But how does a driverless car go on a speeding awareness course?
Just gets uploadedBut how does a driverless car go on a speeding awareness course?
it's mostly irrelevant data with a new instruction to keep it within 5%+2 of the speed limit
if it's late i will be refused entry, if it makes it on time still has to stay in the room right to the end, and it can't even eat the biscuits
The reason for setting a speed limit is to ensure an adequate safety margin. If an autonomous car maintains a safety margin at a higher speed then the whole concept of 'speed limits' as an absolute needs to be reviewed.
Bit of a showtrial on next month
http://highwaysmagazine.co.uk/see-self-driving-car...
According to that article they seem to have Gov approval to be on the roads in 3 months time, I'd be more worried about the poor state of white lining they are supposed to follow.
http://highwaysmagazine.co.uk/see-self-driving-car...
According to that article they seem to have Gov approval to be on the roads in 3 months time, I'd be more worried about the poor state of white lining they are supposed to follow.
speedyguy said:
Bit of a showtrial on next month
http://highwaysmagazine.co.uk/see-self-driving-car...
According to that article they seem to have Gov approval to be on the roads in 3 months time, I'd be more worried about the poor state of white lining they are supposed to follow.
It's quite right to point out the obvious, tptb might just get the message!http://highwaysmagazine.co.uk/see-self-driving-car...
According to that article they seem to have Gov approval to be on the roads in 3 months time, I'd be more worried about the poor state of white lining they are supposed to follow.
In the article George Lee as national director of the RSMA said:
There is a lot of excitement about the potential for self driving cars; however, concerns persist that current infrastructure failings are potentially a limiting factor to implementation across the entire road network
Mr Taxpayer said:
<SNIP> The reason for setting a speed limit is to ensure an adequate safety margin. If an autonomous car maintains a safety margin at a higher speed then the whole concept of 'speed limits' as an absolute needs to be reviewed.
Ditto traffic lights could be done away with. Autonomous cars would slightly adjust their speed on approach and all pass through a junction like a motorcycle display team.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff