how good is chemical metal?

how good is chemical metal?

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vanordinaire

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3,701 posts

162 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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My ford ranger back axle/diff was rusty and weeping a bit of oil. I cleaned off all the rust and found the casing was quite thin and there was one pinhole about a third of the way down the diff, well above the fill level. It's a '54 plate so probably not worth buying a new axle for so I'm considering looking for second hand one or welding a plate over the thin bit but both will involve a fair bit of work. After I cleaned it up I had to move it a few miles so screwed a self-tapper into the pinhole and slapped a 4mm layer of chemical metal over the weak bit, topped up the oil and drove it home. That was about a month ago and I haven't had a chance to do anything more permanent but I've been running about on our land since (probably done about 50 miles) in both 2 and 4 wheel drive and had a look tonight and it looks fine.
Wondering now if I could run it like this on the road.
Anyone had any experience of Plastic Padding's Chemical Metal and how tough is it?

PaulKemp

979 posts

145 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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It's only a temp repair but may last a while
You should plan for a permenant solution while the temp keeps you on the road

OldBuoy

27,010 posts

183 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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I stuck some glass fibre resin in a holed sump once.

A couple of yrs later I thought I would remove it and braze it up properly, couldn't shift the stuff so left it. Still strong 4 yrs later when I sold the car.


buzzer

3,543 posts

240 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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It's VERY GOOD. I still have some from 30 years ago that still goes off solid! It was used by Beans foundry that used to make engine blocks and cylinder heads. When one had a blow hole, they would fill it with this liquid metal! It's called belzona. It's a two part mix. I always wondered how many cars were running around with filler in the engine block!

Even though it was 30 years old, I used it on the sump of a fiat Multipa about 5 years ago that had holed the sump on a big rock.. He has only just sold it!

Key to using it is get the substrate clean before putting it on. I have also used ordinary filler on the steel sump of a couple of cars that have pin holed due to rust.

I sound like a right bodger!

Iang84

962 posts

166 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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Had a friend come off his bike and hole the left hand casing he bodged it with chemical metal to get him home from scotland but after he saw the prices for a new casing he decided to leave it, it has now been on there for around 2yrs and 12k miles

Old Merc

3,490 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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Its amazing stuff, filled a 20mm hole in an ally cylinder block with the stuff and the car ran for years.
Follow the instructions to the letter and the area being repaired must be absolutely spotless with not a spec of oil or grease.

sausage76

353 posts

123 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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Filled a whole in a manifold once and it lasted until I sold the car two years later.

Amazing stuff

dingg

3,984 posts

219 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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belzona , brilliant stuff


B'stard Child

28,387 posts

246 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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dingg said:
belzona , brilliant stuff
This - had a chain come of the front sprocket on a motorcycle many years ago on my way to work and it tore a sizeable hole out of the crankcase above and behind the sprocket - the engineering shop there had two pots of it - did the repair in the car park at work. Never leaked or failed in a further 2 years.....

Unfortunately the motorcycle was a Honda renowned for chocolate cam shafts and that lead to it's early death!!

NormalWisdom

2,139 posts

159 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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buzzer said:
It's VERY GOOD. I still have some from 30 years ago that still goes off solid! It was used by Beans foundry that used to make engine blocks and cylinder heads. When one had a blow hole, they would fill it with this liquid metal! It's called belzona. It's a two part mix. I always wondered how many cars were running around with filler in the engine block!

Even though it was 30 years old, I used it on the sump of a fiat Multipa about 5 years ago that had holed the sump on a big rock.. He has only just sold it!

Key to using it is get the substrate clean before putting it on. I have also used ordinary filler on the steel sump of a couple of cars that have pin holed due to rust.

I sound like a right bodger!
I did the same with a Mini 1000 in about '78 - The Cylinder head had a chip knocked out of it right next to one of the exhaust valve seats - filled it in and re-ground it - Lasted for years. Amazing really given the pressure that occurs thereabouts!

unstable load

28 posts

119 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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blitzracing

6,387 posts

220 months

Friday 15th August 2014
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I like JB weld (slow setting stuff) but its more liquid than chemical metal. Used it on aluminium inlet manifolds on air cooled engines that ran pretty hot without issues.

blondini

477 posts

178 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Belzona looks amazing.

buzzer

3,543 posts

240 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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blondini said:
Belzona looks amazing.
it is... I had a bit spare once and used it to stick 10 pence to the floor outside where I worked... It was there for months!

vanordinaire

Original Poster:

3,701 posts

162 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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The diff in my OP is holding out fine after six weeks and just passed it's MOT on Thursday. I pointed the repair out to the tester before he started and he gave it a few extra pokes and digs and declared it fine. He said he's seen a few repairs like this mostly to sumps and never had a problem.

Krikkit

26,526 posts

181 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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buzzer said:
blondini said:
Belzona looks amazing.
it is... I had a bit spare once and used it to stick 10 pence to the floor outside where I worked... It was there for months!
Agree, any recommendations on which type?

At the moment I used the Halfords-special Plastic Padding Chemical Metal. Originally used to repair kerbing on some alloys I refurbed, but recently repaired a water pipe outlet that had pitted ridiculously and wouldn't seal up. 20 mins later and it's sorted!

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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Krikkit said:
Agree, any recommendations on which type?

At the moment I used the Halfords-special Plastic Padding Chemical Metal. Originally used to repair kerbing on some alloys I refurbed, but recently repaired a water pipe outlet that had pitted ridiculously and wouldn't seal up. 20 mins later and it's sorted!
Belzona and Devcon make the industrial rated, epoxy based stuff. The Plastic Padding chemical metal is simply polyester body filler with metal dust fillers added, nothing like as strong as the real thing.

andy-xr

13,204 posts

204 months

Monday 10th November 2014
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Bringing this one back up as I'm in the market for something to avoid having to drill out a broken bolt.

I dont have a welder, and have no plans to borrow on, but I need to remove a snapped M5 bolt from a hole. THere's still enough on the shaft that I can try vice grips (didnt work) and drill a small pilot hole (broke the bit)

I'm now thinking of chemical metal'ling a nut to it and trying to unscrew it. Is the Halfords stuff really going to grip?

mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Monday 10th November 2014
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Mr2Mike said:
Belzona and Devcon make the industrial rated, epoxy based stuff. The Plastic Padding chemical metal is simply polyester body filler with metal dust fillers added, nothing like as strong as the real thing.
This

If you are even mildly into composites or woood and epoxy boat building you rarely buy filler made up just add the relevant filler material to the epoxy and tweak the working time with the differing hardners... West System has 5 or 6 differing filler materials depending on what you are filling and the properties you want and 3 or 4 different hardeners for use with the their standard 105 epoxy.

Belzona is an epoxy product designed specificially for metal work applications

Plastic padding is just simple, cheap, polyester resin loaded with cheap , weak, heavy fillers

S0 What

3,358 posts

172 months

Monday 10th November 2014
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andy-xr said:
Bringing this one back up as I'm in the market for something to avoid having to drill out a broken bolt.

I dont have a welder, and have no plans to borrow on, but I need to remove a snapped M5 bolt from a hole. THere's still enough on the shaft that I can try vice grips (didnt work) and drill a small pilot hole (broke the bit)

I'm now thinking of chemical metal'ling a nut to it and trying to unscrew it. Is the Halfords stuff really going to grip?
I doubt it TBH, it's pretty brittle and not that good with shearing forces, the pluss of welding a nut on is the heat as much as having the nut to get a grip with.
In this sort of situation i heat the stud/area and then add some ATF to it so it cools it and sucks the ATF down into the threads, ATF is a great lubricant but rather thick hense the heat, or add some acitone to it to help it creap into gaps.