World of Tanks (Vol 2)

World of Tanks (Vol 2)

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Beati Dogu

8,862 posts

138 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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Thanks. I'll have a look at it later when I'm on my PC.

bstb3

3,990 posts

157 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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well played Jayfish, making full use of the panther strengths smile.

Managed a ace tanker in the T67 earlier (the old T49 tier 5 TD), with only 700 damage dealt cool... 5,500 spotting damage lol. Just goes to show there is more than one way to skin a cat. Only spent 1k on ammo too, nice little profit that.


Jayfish

6,795 posts

202 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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The advent of the new T49 had me really confused 'but there's already a t49' etc, thanks for clearing that up and nice score!

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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Martin_Hx said:
I enjoy my Cent 1 and should never have sold my Comet... i may have to re buy it when i have some dosh
I might have to just add a comet rather than upgrade. Is it worth it then? I've found I dont enjoy higher tiers any more than t4-6 but they are more of a grind and you get less reward.

Martin_Hx

3,951 posts

197 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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RobDickinson said:
Martin_Hx said:
I enjoy my Cent 1 and should never have sold my Comet... i may have to re buy it when i have some dosh
I might have to just add a comet rather than upgrade. Is it worth it then? I've found I dont enjoy higher tiers any more than t4-6 but they are more of a grind and you get less reward.
I think you will still be fine at 7-8, its T9 and 10 when it can get expensive and sometimes a little campy and boring!

Sf_Manta

2,188 posts

190 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Well after nearly 200 battles, I finally gave up on flogging the dead horse that is the Obj 704 and promptly sold the POS.mad I won't be going any further with that line, it's one of the worst tanks I've had in the garage with it barely being a 47% win rate.

The BL10 is a great gun, but on the 704, everything shooting at it kept penetrating the heavily sloped armor.
Only once did I ever get it to work, and did over 7.5k damage with a further 3.5k spotting to earn the mastery.
Other than that it's 2 shots and then I'm dead.

Guessing I'll get the same "Oh but it's a great tank"... utter bks, the gun is the only redeeming part, but it doesn't fire any faster than the ISU, and the guns facing you are bigger, fire faster or do far more damage plus you get spotted all too easy and you're toast.


Only 1 other tank has proven such as useless and that was the Ferdi and I sold that after 8 battles.

On the upside, I now have my T110E5 in my garage, and need to take that for a spin...


Beati Dogu

8,862 posts

138 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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I found it to be pretty deadly & I kinda miss it. Sounds like you were a bit too far forward if you were getting shot at like that. The front armour can be pretty troll, especially if you wiggle and can pull back over a reverse slope after firing. Although it has the same BL-10 gun as the ISU, the gun handling is much better. The reload is actually slightly faster, but the aim time, accuracy and gun depression are all superior too.

With just the tracks needed, it's also the easiest tier 9 to elite. Sure it has a 301,000 XP grind to the Object 268 to compensate, but it only took me 177 games, of which it survived 100 of them and killed 269 tanks. God knows how many it wrecked for my team to finish off.

The other Russian tier 9 TD with it's stty gun depression is much worse to play than the Object 704, believe me..

Beati Dogu

8,862 posts

138 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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I decided to sell my KV-1 last night and get the 'new' tier 5 KV-1S instead.

I stuck my 'old' KV-1S crew in it. They still have to be retrained (apart from the radio guy) but luckily even though I paid for a 90% transfer, they came back 97% trained.

If you've played the KV-1S before, the tier 5 is already fully unlocked. I've gone with the derp gun for the LOLs.

You can one shot tier tier 4s and some tier 5s, which is mucho fun. It's fairly mobile too and with brothers in arms the reload time is less than 10 seconds. From the hill on Prokhorovka, I hit a full health Jagdpanzer on the railway line in the side and he burned out.

Ammo is cheap too. Standard HE is only about 250 credits. HEAT is way more expensive, but I haven't felt the need to fire any yet.


bstb3

3,990 posts

157 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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I've not tried the KV-1S, but funnily enough I ran into a couple when I was playing around in my KV1 last night. They seem to share the KV family trait of miracle bounces, that's for sure.

With the Object I do find them peculiar to shoot at - they have those crazy angles on them that you think you are going to pen but hit such a angled surface that you ricochet time and time again. Yet other times you go through them easily. From a driver point of view it definitely takes some experience in the tank to 'get' the angling feel for it - it's very easy to think you are angling well only to find you are actually lowering the effectiveness of already sloped armour somewhere else.

The games I played in the 704 were always a peculiar mix of games that were either very good or very bad, it never seemed to be particularly capable of average. Still wish I hadn't sold it for the 268 though.

Alan O'Hagan

441 posts

136 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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How the Dicker Max got its name.

"Hey Fritz"
"Yes Hans?"
"Take a look at this new TD Krupp has released. Its called the Gepanzerte Selbstfahlafette"
"Gepanzerte Selbstfahlafette? How catchy..."
"Yep. Goering wants us to come up with a name that would intimidate the Allies...you know, make em want to do a lil scheisse in their helmets"
"Well, lets call it the Dicker"
"Dicker hardly sounds scary at all"
"Dicker Max then?"
"Brilliant"
"We're so going to win this war..."

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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hehe

The Dicker Max is a beast of a TD though, that gun is something else.

I've decided as for something to do while I wait for French SPGs or the Maus line, to put some time into turning my IS into an IS-3 and maybe climbing this tree. I hear the IS-8 is a load of fking bks but the IS-7 is a beast, so it could be interesting. I've got about another 10,000xp to get the top IS package and then the 77,000 or so to research the IS-3.

Beati Dogu

8,862 posts

138 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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They should have gone with "Syphilis Panzer". Suzy Rottencrotch being the scourge of armies since forever. biggrin

The IS-8 is fine once you get the top gun on it. Just don't go overboard on the speed and get too far from support. Think of it like a good medium tank. Some people on PC don't even bother with the top engine & go straight for the IS-7.

I have the Chinese tier 9 heavy now, which is very like the IS-8. I don't have the top engine yet, but it's still outstrips pretty much everything else. 46,000 XP for an engine is pretty steep, but that's Chinese tanks for you. It's also the top engine on the tier 9 medium, so I'll get it anyway.



Edited by Beati Dogu on Wednesday 22 October 18:33

Sf_Manta

2,188 posts

190 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Mastodon2 said:
hehe

The Dicker Max is a beast of a TD though, that gun is something else.
Should see the video Circonflexes did of the Dicker Max.. or as he put it, the 'Hoover Max' cause of the comedy gun depression rofl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMMWYLHRPnk

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Sf_Manta said:
Should see the video Circonflexes did of the Dicker Max.. or as he put it, the 'Hoover Max' cause of the comedy gun depression rofl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMMWYLHRPnk
It's already been posted, either in this thread or the end of the last one, but yes I did get a laugh from it. The DM is a beast on hills, if you can get just the tip if your gun poking over, let the camo net engage and you make such a small and well-camouflaged target as to be able to fire with near invisibility.

I've just had a reminder of why I enjoy the IS tanks when they work right, just brawled across Port, taking out an IS-6 and putting serious damage on another IS-6 he was platooned with, killing a T69 with a clutch through his turret cheek, one-shotting a GwPanther then ammmo-racking a Tiger. Long ROF guns are often at the mercy of the RNG, but when they work, bloody hell they're good.

Let it be said that I also think the IS-6, 7 and 8 are some of the best looking tanks in the game. I wish they'd take that stupid gun off the top of the IS-7 though. I know it doesn't have a detection marker point on it, so if it's poking out of cover it won't get the tank spotted like say, the end of the barrel, but it makes it so hard to hide the tank - I can always see an IS-7 hiding in a small dip or behind a ruined building by watching that super tall machine gun post moving about.

Beati Dogu

8,862 posts

138 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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The "TV aerial" gun on the PC version of the IS-7 is now folded flat and looks much better for it.

Tank ace Otto Carius had some input in the design of the post war Leopard tank. He advised them to have side sliding turret hatches as the eye is drawn to sudden movement. The vertical hatches on Russian tanks were a give away if they opened them when silhouetted or when coming over a rise.

Edited by Beati Dogu on Wednesday 22 October 20:33

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Beati Dogu said:
The "TV aerial" gun on the PC version of the IS-7 is now folded flat and looks much better for it.

Tank ace Otto Carius had some input in the design of the post war Leopard tank. He advised them to have side sliding turret hatches as the eye is drawn to sudden movement. The vertical hatches on Russian tanks were a give away if they opened them when silhouetted or when coming over a rise.

Edited by Beati Dogu on Wednesday 22 October 20:33
I wish they'd fix the Xbox gun! And that is a very interesting point about hatches, and it does make sense. Speaking tank related literature, I was reading something about US armoured warfare protocols, and it said that all US tanks in the modern era that carry AP and HE ammunition (or their modern equivalent) run in the field with an AP loaded by default, ready to fire. The thinking being that if they have an AP in the barrel and they sight an enemy tank, they can aim and shoot very quickly - one penetrating hit would likely be enough to stop the enemy tank fighting back. If they needed to engage soft targets, like infantry or non-armoured fighting vehicles, they fire the AP at the target and then load the HE to continue engaging, the thought being that the AP round, while not ideal for multiple infantry targets etc, would cause such shock and awe as to disorient the target and prevent them fleeing or fighting back while the HE was loaded. Interesting stuff.

It's starting to come back to me now in the IS, 7 kills on Ensk earlier, earning a Top Gun, Mastery Class 1, Devastator and Steel Wall. Only 700xp to go until I unlock the top gun, which gives a decent ROF buff over the current gun, but retains the same pen and alpha values. Come on IS-3!


RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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IS and IS-3 was on , IS-8 I hated and sold.

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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RobDickinson said:
IS and IS-3 was on , IS-8 I hated and sold.
I commonly hear the IS-8 described as the worst tank at tier 9. It's not going to be an easy ride, I know that much, but the IS-7 sounds like the pot of gold at the end. I could see myself using the IS-7 too, where I held off on my previous opportunities to grind up to the JPE-100 because I knew I would probably retire it because it's not that good.

I'm starting to get into the T-25 now too, just had a 4 kill match on Lakeville on my double, dominated combat in the town through moving unpredictably through the buildings and sniping across the lake to the little path that runs along the mountain side for some damage. I made good use of a technique I picked up from Quickybaby of breaking the line of sight with the enemy, moving one way until the 6th sense indicator goes away (so you know they can't see you on their map and your position indicator disappears) and then changing direction. A few times now I've done that I come around a building to catch an enemy tank facing away from me because he read where I was going and try to set up an ambush that I had foiled.

I ended up with a mastery class 2 and a bunch of marksman and master gunner ribbons too, quite nice. The T-25 is a good tank, but as with pretty much all premiums, it has a niche gameplay style that must be adhered to. In terms of pure silver earning potential, it does seem to have a higher silver multiplier than the T14 and Matilda BP. It even seems to earn almost comparably with my Dicker Max, though the DM is a tier higher so earns higher base silver, but from the stats I've seeen a lot of players struggle to do damage with the DM.

Beati Dogu

8,862 posts

138 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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The IS-8 is not a bad tank, believe me.

BTW, here's my IS-7 with folded gun:



The Pistonheads logo looks good on a tank, don't you think? tongue out

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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I didnt grind much upgrades but the gun depression meant you were always exposed , undergunned, and tbh it has shockingly poor armour. dont think I had one half decent game in it.

I thought it was comperable to the dw2 but with a grind that would go on for decades and I hate not contributing to teams for that long.