PH thoughts on this 'Advanced' driver's dashcam vids?

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25NAD90TUL

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666 posts

130 months

Sunday 17th August 2014
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dombooth said:
Roo said:
How about letting the cars behind you past before you start reversing?

You could give them a hint of your intentions by, oh I don't know, sitting there with the car in reverse for more than two seconds before starting the manoeuvre.

Also, how do you flash your reversing lights whilst driving along? Maybe they think there's a fault with them so aren't actually expecting you to reverse when they come on. Again.
Drop the attitude fella, I'm ignoring a lot of the personal attacks and insults, lets give it a rest eh.

To let all the cars past, I'd need to be there for a good few hours unfortunately.

To flash them, I lift up the ring and slide the knob over to the right, makes the light come on without engaging reverse gear.

Dom
Excuse me...

YOU Drop the attitude fella!

YOU acted like the fool when you posted those videos, as someone said to you in the ADUK thread, 'make sure you're squeaky clean'...

You didn't and got rumbled, man up and leave your attitude where your pride now resides!

chungasarnies

155 posts

124 months

Sunday 17th August 2014
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dombooth said:
If anyone wants to toss a suggestion, I'd be happy to oblige to attempt it, and post the video.

Dom
Edited by dombooth on Sunday 17th August 22:03
My suggestion is stop uploading nonsense like this to YouTube and for everyone here to stop caring.

HTH smile

Roo

11,503 posts

206 months

Sunday 17th August 2014
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I see 25nad has beaten me to a reply.

Seriously? Dombooth, you'd have to wait hours before a gap in traffic would allow to reverse onto your drive without causing confusion/inconvenience to other road users?

Oh, and can you please point out where I had an attitude towards, or insulted, you.

25NAD90TUL

Original Poster:

666 posts

130 months

Sunday 17th August 2014
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It's quite a hobby isn't it this?

Police-style videoing drivers' misdemeanours and posting it on YT, there seems to be a lot of it going on, and as the OP it seems to highlight a lot of faults in the cameracar operators' drive as in this case. Can anyone tell me roughly how much it costs to buy a camera for this kind of activity?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Sunday 17th August 2014
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dombooth said:
As I start passing the junction, I indicate, and flash the reversing light.
I suspect that 99.9% of all drivers, faced with the car in front "flashing the reversing light", would - if they even noticed - assume that you'd just cocked up a gearchange, and would have absolutely _NO_ idea at all what you were trying to "tell" them.

dombooth said:
I stop a foot or 2 from the kerb to avoid damaging the alloys
Are you serious?

25NAD90TUL

Original Poster:

666 posts

130 months

Sunday 17th August 2014
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The 'information' phase of the system has clearly gone out of the window.

What was your grade Dominic?

IAM First wasn't it?

Roo

11,503 posts

206 months

Sunday 17th August 2014
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My mum is a member of the IAM.

I'll ask her tomorrow if it's normal procedure in the training to be taught to try and select, a non synchromesh, reverse gear whilst driving along to attempt to indicate to other road users that you'll be reversing.

25NAD90TUL

Original Poster:

666 posts

130 months

Sunday 17th August 2014
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Roo said:
My mum is a member of the IAM.

I'll ask her tomorrow if it's normal procedure in the training to be taught to try and select, a non synchromesh, reverse gear whilst driving along to attempt to indicate to other road users that you'll be reversing.
It won't be.

For those who want to know, the correct proceedure was to stop a car length BEFORE the driveway, pointing the front end towards the centre line, giving information to the driver behind by first indicating RIGHT to take position toward the centre line, and giving further information with over-the shoulder glances at the car behind, once it is clear that there is going to be some kind of manouvre taking place, slow movement forwards and adjustments in positioning followed by reversing lamps would give further information as to what was happening and then the car would reverse into the driveway without issue.

ie: Information-Position

The cameracar driver is an aggressive driver and indicated left as if to pull into the side of the road followed by an aggressive reverse into traffic, further aggression was demonstrated by the in-car verbaling and the horn blasting as in the BM video.

I think if either of the cars had hit him, it would have been 'he ran right into the back of me'...

And all this under the guise of demonstrating where other drivers were at fault!

Nice work DomBooth, yet more st left at the IAM's doorstep.

Stinks doesn't it? I'm leaving it at that though now.

Best wishes all!

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 18th August 2014
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dombooth said:
I lift up the ring and slide the knob over to the right

Dom
Each to their own I guess. Is that whilst you're watching one of your 'videos'? smile

martine

67 posts

210 months

Monday 18th August 2014
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25NAD90TUL said:
Yes Martin I agree 100% with your statement, no problem there.

The problem was those nasty YT videos, I see they have been removed following the damage limitation excercise at ADUK, a wise move.

Perhaps you might realise one day why you are all so badly perceived, those vids coming from a local group chairman were a disgrace, I think we're all agreed on that fact.
Edited by 25NAD90TUL on Sunday 17th August 23:58
I suppose what I'm objecting to is the way one person's video (good or bad) are held up as a way of attacking the IAM in general. I truly suspect those that are most vehement are the ones who have no idea what advanced driving is and like to comfort themselves by throwing the whole lot out. As I said, there are some people in the IAM who do us no favours but I believe they are in a minority.

Thanks for the patronising comment 'perhaps one day...' - I am fully aware of how some people perceive advanced driving and the IAM specifically - I just think they are wrong (in their perception) that's all.

ETA: Perception is important of course and I do everything I can to challenge it - that's why I'm on this thread.
Edited by martine on Monday 18th August 13:02



Edited by martine on Monday 18th August 13:05

25NAD90TUL

Original Poster:

666 posts

130 months

Monday 18th August 2014
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martine said:
I haven't commented on the videos deliberately...
This said it all for me Martin.

A bit of honesty wouldn't have hurt anyone. You could have said 'Dom made a mistake, an error of judgement, and his technique here is unsound' but no, close ranks.

The YT posts were malicious, those films were aimed at 'showing up' those other drivers. You could've been honest and made some comment, but chose not to, choosing instead to stick together and take the offensive.

The IAM could be a damn good thing were if not for this type of 'slimey' attitude displayed by a few, and it is a great shame.

I'll keep an eye out in future too and if I see anything as crass as those videos again you can be sure it will end up here.

You 'hate' those people who take every oportunity to have a dig at the IAM and AD, I know what drives them to it, the 'slippery, slimey' nature of certain members. It was this type of 'people' who ruined my IAM experience, causing me to give up on 3 years of membership, many hours observer training and the acquaintance of some DAMN GOOD people at my own local group, soured by the pettiness and unsavoury nature of those minority of members who congregate on the internet, putting prospective future drivers off.

I deliberately didn't post this thread in Advanced Driving section.

The IAM keep emailing asking me to outline where improvements can be made, as I suppose they do with all long-term members who just suddenly lapse...

I know this eulogy will go in one ear and out of the other, you can't take criticism, as outlined by the statement in quotes at the top of this post.

Thanks for your corespondance.

M4cruiser

3,546 posts

149 months

Monday 18th August 2014
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dombooth said:
To let all the cars past, I'd need to be there for a good few hours unfortunately.

Dom
Dom, for what it's worth, I just don't get why everyone seems to be against you. It was obvious to me (another IAM member) that the manoeuvre needs to be completed to minimise disruption on what seems to be quite a busy road. And obvious that the BMW and Land Rover came too close. (I have watched only those 2 videos from your collection).

I'm pretty sure I did something similar to the Land Rover driver many years ago, but I learned from it. I can perhaps give the benefit of the doubt to him - perhaps it was his first time in that situation too! But to everyone else, the video should have been good training. They should be saying "thankyou, now I won't get myself into that predicament".

I always try to stop with plenty of space in front of me. Especially if/when the car in front has stopped for no apparent reason, with or without a signal. Expect the Unexpected.

However, that said, I wouldn't condone your apparent impatience with the other drivers in your videos ... or am I misunderstanding your grunts, horn sounding etc?

Keep up the video work, but please offer them as training, not as a rebuke to the idiots in them.



Roo

11,503 posts

206 months

Monday 18th August 2014
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M4cruiser said:
And obvious that the BMW and Land Rover came too close.
Too close to what? Someone who admits that he drove down the road and stopped two feet out from the kerb. The people following stopped in time and left plenty of room to manoeuvre around him, whilst trying to work out what the hell he was up to.


M4cruiser said:
However, that said, I wouldn't condone your apparent impatience with the other drivers in your videos ... or am I misunderstanding your grunts, horn sounding etc?
Well said.

The Moose

22,820 posts

208 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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A couple of things for Dom:

Some Smart Chap said:
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
Another Smart Chap said:
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
And finally said:
Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your eye?

25NAD90TUL

Original Poster:

666 posts

130 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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M4cruiser said:
Dom, for what it's worth, I just don't get why everyone seems to be against you. It was obvious to me (another IAM member) <snip>
As a member you always have to be right even in the face of that evidence?

M4cruiser said:
They should be saying "thankyou, now I won't get myself into that predicament".
For real????

M4cruiser said:
Keep up the video work, but please offer them as training, not as a rebuke to the idiots in them.
Typical to have a way off the mark view of who the idiot/idiots actually were!

Who was the idiot in this case? The general opinion here is that the idiot was driving the camera car.

martine

67 posts

210 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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25NAD90TUL said:
This said it all for me Martin.

A bit of honesty wouldn't have hurt anyone. You could have said 'Dom made a mistake, an error of judgement, and his technique here is unsound' but no, close ranks.

The YT posts were malicious, those films were aimed at 'showing up' those other drivers. You could've been honest and made some comment, but chose not to, choosing instead to stick together and take the offensive.

The IAM could be a damn good thing were if not for this type of 'slimey' attitude displayed by a few, and it is a great shame.

I'll keep an eye out in future too and if I see anything as crass as those videos again you can be sure it will end up here.

You 'hate' those people who take every oportunity to have a dig at the IAM and AD, I know what drives them to it, the 'slippery, slimey' nature of certain members. It was this type of 'people' who ruined my IAM experience, causing me to give up on 3 years of membership, many hours observer training and the acquaintance of some DAMN GOOD people at my own local group, soured by the pettiness and unsavoury nature of those minority of members who congregate on the internet, putting prospective future drivers off.

I deliberately didn't post this thread in Advanced Driving section.

The IAM keep emailing asking me to outline where improvements can be made, as I suppose they do with all long-term members who just suddenly lapse...

I know this eulogy will go in one ear and out of the other, you can't take criticism, as outlined by the statement in quotes at the top of this post.

Thanks for your corespondance.
Crikey for someone that wrote earlier 'I'm leaving it at that though now. Best wishes all!' - you do a damm good rant.

I didn't comment not because I was 'closing ranks' or anything like - if you knew me, you'd realise that's just not my style - I just thought Dom might like to respond himself as I know he's pretty active on here, ADUK and the IAM forum.

You do seem to have a bit of a chip - what have I done to upset you?

Edited by martine on Tuesday 19th August 14:55

surveyor

17,766 posts

183 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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I'm not an advanced driver, but if the road really is too busy, I think my method would be.

Slow gradual stop just before the drive. Make sure traffic has observed and slowed. Indicate left and manoeuvre to be at a diagonal to the driveway with front of car towards the centre of road to make it as obvious as I can.

Then reverse.


25NAD90TUL

Original Poster:

666 posts

130 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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martine said:
I didn't comment not because I was 'closing ranks' or anything like - if you knew me, you'd realise that's just not my style - I just thought Dom might like to respond himself as I know he's pretty active on here, ADUK and the IAM forum.

You do seem to have a bit of a chip - what have I done to upset you?
Another example of 'sliminess'...

You waded in with this pretty quickly...
martine said:
There's one thing worse than a pompous Advanced Driver...that's a pistonheads user who slags of those that have taken further driver training when often they have no idea what advanced driving is really all about...
...considering you were leaving it for him to sort out himself!

When asked for an opinion you declined, hence my interpretation.

Dom came in and tried to act all high and mighty, then bailed and made the videos private, it didn't save him any embarrassment. I downloaded the videos and sent them to Chiswick along with a link to this thread.

You have done nothing to upset me, it's just slime balls in general upset me. Somebody used the term 'utter Gareth' which seemed fitting.

Aaaaaaaaaanyway if you want to keep posting please do, I'll play ball, every new post keeps the thread on page 1 of General gassing so...

dombooth

1,006 posts

129 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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M4cruiser said:
Dom, for what it's worth, I just don't get why everyone seems to be against you. It was obvious to me (another IAM member) that the manoeuvre needs to be completed to minimise disruption on what seems to be quite a busy road. And obvious that the BMW and Land Rover came too close. (I have watched only those 2 videos from your collection).

I'm pretty sure I did something similar to the Land Rover driver many years ago, but I learned from it. I can perhaps give the benefit of the doubt to him - perhaps it was his first time in that situation too! But to everyone else, the video should have been good training. They should be saying "thankyou, now I won't get myself into that predicament".

I always try to stop with plenty of space in front of me. Especially if/when the car in front has stopped for no apparent reason, with or without a signal. Expect the Unexpected.

However, that said, I wouldn't condone your apparent impatience with the other drivers in your videos ... or am I misunderstanding your grunts, horn sounding etc?

Keep up the video work, but please offer them as training, not as a rebuke to the idiots in them.
Thank you, it is appreciated to read a message from someone not slinging insults.

Dom

dombooth

1,006 posts

129 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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surveyor said:
I'm not an advanced driver, but if the road really is too busy, I think my method would be.

Slow gradual stop just before the drive. Make sure traffic has observed and slowed. Indicate left and manoeuvre to be at a diagonal to the driveway with front of car towards the centre of road to make it as obvious as I can.

Then reverse.
Hi,

Each time I have attempted this people have followed, they stopped too close, meanwhile I'm completely blocking the traffic. Happy to try again though.

Dom
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