US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

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DAVEVO9

3,469 posts

267 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Google pat condell and choudry

unrepentant

21,257 posts

256 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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devonshiredave said:
unrepentant said:
Perhaps because he's British, born in England. Where do you suggest that your government deports British citizens to?
Somewhere more suited to their particular needs?
Really? He's British though. If someone is British and born in Britain surely they are allowed to campaign (democratically) to change that country? A lot of folks on PH want to campaign to leave the EU or bring back hanging, this guy wants Sharia Law. Now you can disagree with his aim of bringing Sharia Law (as I would) but you have to respect his right to campaign for it.


devonshiredave

552 posts

202 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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unrepentant said:
Really? He's British though. If someone is British and born in Britain surely they are allowed to campaign (democratically) to change that country? A lot of folks on PH want to campaign to leave the EU or bring back hanging, this guy wants Sharia Law. Now you can disagree with his aim of bringing Sharia Law (as I would) but you have to respect his right to campaign for it.
I suspect his motivations go well beyond sharia law (which is already present in some uk mediation).

Leaving the EU or reintroducing capital punishment fall into an entirely different category of motivation to that which he would have imposed on the people of the UK.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

231 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Mermaid said:
Jimbeaux said:
How many like that one are there roaming East London (or wherever their hate incubator is headquartered)?
Job lot price?
Sorry?

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

231 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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unrepentant said:
devonshiredave said:
unrepentant said:
Perhaps because he's British, born in England. Where do you suggest that your government deports British citizens to?
Somewhere more suited to their particular needs?
Really? He's British though. If someone is British and born in Britain surely they are allowed to campaign (democratically) to change that country? A lot of folks on PH want to campaign to leave the EU or bring back hanging, this guy wants Sharia Law. Now you can disagree with his aim of bringing Sharia Law (as I would) but you have to respect his right to campaign for it.
I have to agree that, however distasteful, to maintain democratic standards, he should be allowed to pursue his goals within the system (even though changing that very system is his goal). Obviously, attacks or direct material support for attacks would be criminal and covered under law. However, what are the specific laws if his actions incite criminal activities? Is there a legal line he could cross that could get him stitched up?

JagLover

42,406 posts

235 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Blib said:
Western democracy will eventually win. Fundamentalism of any sort is hard work. The overwhelming majority of people just want to live a quiet, law abiding life. All this running around, trying to take over the world is futile.

Theocracies don't make the goods or provide the services that ordinary folk crave. There's no long term future for these blood soaked murderers. They are already turning in on themselves.
Complacency

There are 1,500 British passport holders willing to fight for ISIS now, and thousands more sympathisers and that is with Muslims making up only 4.4% of the UK population. What will the situation be if Muslims make up 10% of the UK population or 15%?

Yet we keep continuing with the same policies as if merely being in a country like the UK makes someone a believer in western, liberal, democracy.

Our own liberty from religious fanaticism was hard fought and bloody, yet we are sleep walking into the next confrontation.

Blib

44,074 posts

197 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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JagLover said:
Blib said:
Western democracy will eventually win. Fundamentalism of any sort is hard work. The overwhelming majority of people just want to live a quiet, law abiding life. All this running around, trying to take over the world is futile.

Theocracies don't make the goods or provide the services that ordinary folk crave. There's no long term future for these blood soaked murderers. They are already turning in on themselves.
Complacency

There are 1,500 British passport holders willing to fight for ISIS now, and thousands more sympathisers and that is with Muslims making up only 4.4% of the UK population. What will the situation be if Muslims make up 10% of the UK population or 15%?

Yet we keep continuing with the same policies as if merely being in a country like the UK makes someone a believer in western, liberal, democracy.

Our own liberty from religious fanaticism was hard fought and bloody, yet we are sleep walking into the next confrontation.
Not complacency. History.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Blib said:
JagLover said:
Blib said:
Western democracy will eventually win. Fundamentalism of any sort is hard work. The overwhelming majority of people just want to live a quiet, law abiding life. All this running around, trying to take over the world is futile.

Theocracies don't make the goods or provide the services that ordinary folk crave. There's no long term future for these blood soaked murderers. They are already turning in on themselves.
Complacency

There are 1,500 British passport holders willing to fight for ISIS now, and thousands more sympathisers and that is with Muslims making up only 4.4% of the UK population. What will the situation be if Muslims make up 10% of the UK population or 15%?

Yet we keep continuing with the same policies as if merely being in a country like the UK makes someone a believer in western, liberal, democracy.

Our own liberty from religious fanaticism was hard fought and bloody, yet we are sleep walking into the next confrontation.
Not complacency. History.
That too. If Cameron can turn the tide and wage a "war" that resonates with the British people, he stands a better chance next year. Wars can win elections.

Compromise - both sides equally unhappy.

JagLover

42,406 posts

235 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Blib said:
Not complacency. History.
There is no inevitability about the triumph of western democracy throughout much of the world.

It was only the Red Army that stopped most of Europe, excluding us, from being ruled over by the Nazis.

To just sit back and think everyone will recognise the "superiority" of our way of life is both arrogant and complacent.


scorp

8,783 posts

229 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Blib said:
Not complacency. History.
I didn't think there was a precedent for what's happening now ?

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Mermaid said:
That too. If Cameron can turn the tide and wage a "war" that resonates with the British people, he stands a better chance next year. Wars can win elections.

Compromise - both sides equally unhappy.
Cameron getting feisty smile

BenM77

2,835 posts

164 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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JagLover said:
To just sit back and think everyone will recognise the "superiority" of our way of life is both arrogant and complacent.
Spot on.


The 1500+ over there from Britain are evidence enough of that.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Guam said:
Well I guess murdering kids over there makes a change of scenery from raping ours over herescratchchin


& the long delays at the airport

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

231 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Guam said:
BenM77 said:
Spot on.


The 1500+ over there from Britain are evidence enough of that.
Well I guess murdering kids over there makes a change of scenery from raping ours over herescratchchin
Was that child sex trafficing scandal centered in the Muslim community?

s1962a

5,314 posts

162 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Guam said:
Jimbeaux said:
Was that child sex trafficing scandal centered in the Muslim community?
Might have been coffee
Yes, within the Pakistani community of a place called 'Rotheram'

It was in the news


Grumfutock

5,274 posts

165 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Guam said:
Jimbeaux said:
Was that child sex trafficing scandal centered in the Muslim community?
Might have been coffee

fathomfive

9,918 posts

190 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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s1962a said:
Yes, within the Pakistani community of a place called 'Rotheram'

It was in the news
No, no, no.

It's the councillors, police and social services to blame wink

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

231 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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s1962a said:
Guam said:
Jimbeaux said:
Was that child sex trafficing scandal centered in the Muslim community?
Might have been coffee
Yes, within the Pakistani community of a place called 'Rotheram'

It was in the news
Thanks; we caught it briefly over here but details down to specific communities was not covered when I watched.

s1962a

5,314 posts

162 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Jimbeaux said:
s1962a said:
Guam said:
Jimbeaux said:
Was that child sex trafficing scandal centered in the Muslim community?
Might have been coffee
Yes, within the Pakistani community of a place called 'Rotheram'

It was in the news
Thanks; we caught it briefly over here but details down to specific communities was not covered when I watched.
It would really boil your piss if you read about it. Utter utter scum.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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fathomfive said:
s1962a said:
Yes, within the Pakistani community of a place called 'Rotheram'

It was in the news
No, no, no.

It's the councillors, police and social services to blame wink
It's the labour party, well Tony Blair (universal applause)