US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

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Countdown

39,689 posts

195 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Not sure if any of you guys remember Gulf War 2 (let alone GW1)?

ISIL would be using maybe 1% of what Saddam had available back in 1991and we all know how well he did. Now roll forward to 2014 - The USAF has moved forwards 20-odd years (since Gw1), the Iraqi AF has probably gone backwards. So how much of a chance does anybody think ISIL?

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Countdown said:
Not sure if any of you guys remember Gulf War 2 (let alone GW1)?

ISIL would be using maybe 1% of what Saddam had available back in 1991and we all know how well he did. Now roll forward to 2014 - The USAF has moved forwards 20-odd years (since Gw1), the Iraqi AF has probably gone backwards. So how much of a chance does anybody think ISIL?
You're getting your countries muddled up. The aircraft are Syrian, the trainers (as in personnel) are said to be Iraqi.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Countdown said:
Not sure if any of you guys remember Gulf War 2 (let alone GW1)?

ISIL would be using maybe 1% of what Saddam had available back in 1991and we all know how well he did. Now roll forward to 2014 - The USAF has moved forwards 20-odd years (since Gw1), the Iraqi AF has probably gone backwards. So how much of a chance does anybody think ISIL?
Never underestimate driven fanatics.
This whole deal is probably nothing more than propaganda, however it strengthens their hand in a vicious regional conflict, and will drive others to flock to their flag.

If, if they get a number of airframes operational they are going on a one way trip.

Propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whwZfpAGxsU




Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 18th October 20:03

Butter Face

30,191 posts

159 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Mojocvh said:
Countdown said:
Not sure if any of you guys remember Gulf War 2 (let alone GW1)?

ISIL would be using maybe 1% of what Saddam had available back in 1991and we all know how well he did. Now roll forward to 2014 - The USAF has moved forwards 20-odd years (since Gw1), the Iraqi AF has probably gone backwards. So how much of a chance does anybody think ISIL?
Never underestimate driven fanatics.
This whole deal is probably nothing more than propaganda, however it strengthens their hand in a vicious regional conflict, and will drive others to flock to their flag.

If, if they get a number of airframes operational they are going on a one way trip.

Propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whwZfpAGxsU

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Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 18th October 20:03
Surely upon seeing videos like that, the coalition should just level that airbase?

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Butter Face said:
Surely upon seeing videos like that, the coalition should just level that airbase?
No doubt they will at some point, but intelligence may be lacking. Also, you might expect some AA at an airbase.

2013BRM

39,731 posts

283 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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ffs, we are talking about 3 aircraft that, although Russian and ancient are still complex with weapons/nav systems that need constant maintenance and training to operate, now if they manage to get the bloody things airborn every western agency will be watching with assets and crews so up for it you will not believe.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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""They have trainers, Iraqi officers who were pilots before for (former Iraqi president) Saddam Hussein," Abdulrahman said. [Rami Abdulrahman, who runs the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.]

"People saw the flights, they went up many times from the airport and they are flying in the skies outside the airport and coming back," he said, citing witnesses in northern Aleppo province near the base, which is 70 km (45 miles) south of the Turkish border.

Witnesses reported the flights were at a low altitude and only lasted five to 10 minutes before landing, the Observatory said. It was not possible to reach the Syrian government for comment and state media did not mention the report.

It was not clear whether the jets were equipped with weaponry or whether the pilots could fly longer distances in the planes, which witnesses said appeared to be MiG 21 or MiG 23 models captured from the Syrian military."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/17/isis-warp...

A relatively low level threat, but the 23 is potentially a low level fighter bomber, very fast, and long range, the 21 could be effective against drones. ISIS probably has competent Iraqi and Syrian trained pilots available if necessary.

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Sunday 19th October 02:32

g4ry13

16,887 posts

254 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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Mojocvh said:
If, if they get a number of airframes operational they are going on a one way trip.

Propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whwZfpAGxsU
Wow...those planes look like utter dog crap. I can't believe those planes are going to be maintained well enough to be flight worthy. The expertise required to do so, let alone any sort of pilot ability. They're more trophies than a threat.

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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I don't believe these illiterate goat fkers who can't even manage the complexities of iron sights on their ak's can get a plane off the floor. He'll give them an rpg and they team kill themselves.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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Pesty said:
I don't believe these illiterate goat fkers who can't even manage the complexities of iron sights on their ak's can get a plane off the floor. He'll give them an rpg and they team kill themselves.
Spoken like a true idiot. Firstly, the people of the region were writing long before the then inhabitants of these isles, secondly, they've inflicted casualties on US and Russian trained armies and taken ground off them.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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g4ry13 said:
Wow...those planes look like utter dog crap. I can't believe those planes are going to be maintained well enough to be flight worthy. The expertise required to do so, let alone any sort of pilot ability. They're more trophies than a threat.
They're certainly trophies. But the reports say they're actually flying. With 3 Soviet era aircraft they already outclass the Lebanese air force (at least, as far as fixed wing jets are concerned), which has 4 ancient Hawker Hunters, recently taken out of mothballs after 12 years.

gaz1234

5,233 posts

218 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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Who is next on the list?

B17NNS

18,506 posts

246 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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Crucifixion seems to be their new thing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798532/bo...

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Spoken like a true idiot. Firstly, the people of the region were writing long before the then inhabitants of these isles, secondly, they've inflicted casualties on US and Russian trained armies and taken ground off them.
Spoken like a true apologist. Being called an idiot for criticism of isis that's a new one. By the way isis are recruiting from around the world I'm suggesting that those volunteering to snackbar are not the sharpest tools in the box. Or do you think the volunteers are geniii? So even if they did write ( which is desputed) I don't see what relevance you ad hom outburst had.

Yes in ancient times in that area they write, they were taught by Chinese prisoners of war iirc along with paper. Not done much since though have they. How many Nobel prizes for science ? The west is sending a probe to an asteroid as we speak they are fighting because of a sky pixie. Do you know the literacy rates for somewhere like Egypt?

The trained armies of Iraq just dropped their weapons and ran off. Isis fire from the hip full auto right into the air. The only kills they seem to make are beheading surrendered unarmed prisoners. But yes there are probably some there more proficient.

I'm sure you are correct these genius people who just repeats God is great like programmed robots thinking it will protect them will Iget a plane off the ground. ( they didn't invent those either)

I hope they do they won't last long in the air. Link please if you think they are already flying the things.

I would love to link you some vid clips of these people in action. My favourite is the captured russian armoured personnel carrier the whole village are there cheering and a local is towing it for them with a tractor just before they accidentally Fire the main gun and kill the tractor driver and half the crowd. ( syrian Rebels that one)

But I'm sure they will get a jet in the air. Maybe the Chechens have some pilots I believe there are a few of those there. Ts possible some trained pilots have joined I suppose but that is the only way they could fly One. Jihadi John isn't going to read a manual and become and ace is he.










Edited by Pesty on Monday 20th October 00:01

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Pesty said:
Spoken like a true apologist.


Apologist for who exactly? Do you take this pro Palestinian, pro Kurd Atheist as an apologist for ISIS? Are you mental?

Pesty said:
Yes they were taught by Chinese prisoners of war iirc along with paper. Not done much since though have they. How many Nobel prizes for science ? The west is sending a probe to an asteroid as we speak they are fighting because of a sky pixie. Do you know the literacy rates for somewhere like Egypt?
What the hell has Egypt to do with Syria or Iraq? Is your geography a bit off kilter?

The Mesopotamians and Ancient Syrians were writing 5,000 years ago. They had an alphabet 3000 years ago. The area of the Tigris and Euphrates is generally regarded as the first civilisation.

The people who compose ISIS (with the exception of European imports) are genetically indistinct from the majority of the people actually fighting them (I mean, on the ground).

The literacy rate of Syrians aged 15 and older is 86.0% for males and 73.6% for females (2012). Literacy rate in Iraq was last measured at 78.48 in 2011.

Pesty said:
The trained armies of Iraq just dropped their weapons and ran off. Isis fire from the hip full auto right into the air. The only kills they seem to make are beheading surrendered unarmed prisoners. But yes there are probably some there more proficient.
You know that's not entirely true.

Pesty said:
I'm sure you are correct these genius people who just repeats God is great like programmed robots thinking it will protect them will Iget a plane off the ground. ( they didn't invent those either)


According to the reports, they've already gotten the planes off the ground. Muslims don't generally say God is great in order to protect themselves, anymore than Christians say God bless in the expectation of anything significant.

Pesty said:
I hope they do they won't last long in the air.
I doubt that that's the idea. More likely, to fly it into something significant. There are Syrian and Iraqi pilots who have joined ISIS.

Pesty said:
I would love to link you some vid clips of these people in action. My favourite is the captured russian armoured personnel carrier the whole village are there cheering and a local is towing it for them with a tractor just before they accidentally Fire the main gun and kill the tractor driver and half the crowd. ( syrian Rebels that one)
Sure. But I could equally easily link you to videos of fully armed Kurds who they've shot in battle. Armies are not full of intellectuals, and it doesn't take that much nous to fire a gun a kill someone.


Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Monday 20th October 00:12

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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see you can reply without the name calling . Almost. I just threw one back at you, childish yes but you stated it wink. Try having an adult conversation without the names like you would to my face.

I also See you ignored the part about what have they done lately and Nobel prizes? But I'm not talking about intelligence of the indigenous people's of the region as a whole. You brought that up for some reason.

I'm talking about isis. Quite why you would leap to defend anything or anyone else is amusing. I don't belive your answer to my first post has any relevance yet I managed to reply without calling you mental or an idiot.

And all that you brought up was before islam took hold in the area, the biggest retrograde step of all. Since then they have done next to nothing. I do not disagree that thousands of years ago the area was the leading light on science. Oil lamps in street and all kjind of things. But what relevance has that to blood thirsty jihadists in 2014?

An interesting subject no doubt, but one for another thread perhaps.

Im talking about now,isis have nothing to do with nesoptamia and i still maintain that any jihadi who joins isis from around the world to slit necks are obviously not that bright and won't be able to learn to fly without being trained first

I'll repeat for you , nothing I said in my original post was aimed at the area or people as a whole. Just isis members whom I have watched lots of entertaining videos of them shooting each other and blowing themselves up. I was also specifically talking about learning to fly a jet from scratch. Yes sure there are some capable fighters there. No doubt about it, probably trained by the west though . ( using ak patern rifles and other weapons not invented by them either) the phones and technology isis are using were all invented by other people.
I doubt many scientists or inventors are joint the ranks under the black flag,

Jihadi John was a rapper though so I suppise he has a large vocabulary and can ryme. All good stuff for jet flying. But do carry on about thousands of years ago or other people in region who are not in isis to whom I wasn't referring if you must.





Edited by Pesty on Monday 20th October 00:57

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Pesty said:
I'll repeat for you , nothing I said in my original post was aimed at the area or people as a whole. Just isis members whom I have watched lots of entertaining videos of them shooting each other and blowing themselves up.





Edited by Pesty on Monday 20th October 00:28
Then how, as you didn't refer to ISIS in the first place, was anyone to take it?
Pesty said:
I don't believe these illiterate goat fkers who can't even manage the complexities of iron sights on their ak's can get a plane off the floor. He'll give them an rpg and they team kill themselves.


Without context, it just becomes an Islamophobic rant.

Western science was pretty much bootstrapped from Islamic science. Why one developed and the other stultified probably has as much to do with the Medieval agricultural revolution (and the later Industrial Revolution) as anything else.

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Pesty said:
I'll repeat for you , nothing I said in my original post was aimed at the area or people as a whole. Just isis members whom I have watched lots of entertaining videos of them shooting each other and blowing themselves up.





Edited by Pesty on Monday 20th October 00:28
Then how, as you didn't refer to ISIS in the first place, was anyone to take it?
Pesty said:
I don't believe these illiterate goat fkers who can't even manage the complexities of iron sights on their ak's can get a plane off the floor. He'll give them an rpg and they team kill themselves.


Without context, it just becomes an Islamophobic rant.

Western science was pretty much bootstrapped from Islamic science. Why one developed and the other stultified probably has as much to do with the Medieval agricultural revolution (and the later Industrial Revolution) as anything else.
The context is there. Its only isis running around shooting aks and RPGs at people, and we were talking about isis having a plane. How on earth could you jump to any other conclusion. Who else would I be talking about.

If we were talking about Isis having planes which we were and I said I bet they are too stupid to fly them I'm obviously talking about Isis not some random none isis member am I.

Or are you suggesting everybody in the area wants to get a fighter jet off the ground to attack something which sounds rather islamophobic to me.

I was obviously only talking about isis. This thread is about Isis , I commented on a thread about Isis, about Isis members other states in the region are flying missions so I'm not talking about them either am I. Most middle Eastern states have air forces and they can ibviously fly I believe.

I've said isis a lot because it seems you have to be very specific, some islamophobic people think all people in the area are running around with murderous intent to fly fighter jets and murder,.Not just isis.


By the way do you have any links about them getting the planes off the ground.



TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Pesty said:
The context is there. Its only isis running around shooting aks and RPGs at people, and we were talking about isis having a plane. How on earth could you jump to any other conclusion. Who else would I be talking about.

If we were talking about Isis having planes which we were and I said I bet they are too stupid to fly them I'm obviously talking about Isis not some random none isis member am I.

Or are you suggesting everybody in the area wants to get a fighter jet off the ground to attack something which sounds rather islamophobic to me.

I was obviously only talking about isis. This thread is about Isis , I commented on a thread about Isis, about Isis members other states in the region are flying missions so I'm not talking about them either am I. Most middle Eastern states have air forces and they can ibviously fly I believe.

I've said isis a lot because it seems you have to be very specific, some islamophobic people think all people in the area are running around with murderous intent to fly fighter jets and murder,.Not just isis.


By the way do you have any links about them getting the planes off the ground.
The Kurds are running around with AKs and RPGs firing at things, too, as are the Syrians, the FSA, Hezbollah and just about everyone else. Video here of the Kurds taking out an ISIS tank: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Nc77Z0Sqs

Good shot, under a lot of pressure!

For the flights, lots of potential links, but they all seem to be from one source: http://rt.com/news/196784-isis-syria-pilots-traini...

is but one.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

230 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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g4ry13 said:
Mojocvh said:
If, if they get a number of airframes operational they are going on a one way trip.

Propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whwZfpAGxsU
Wow...those planes look like utter dog crap. I can't believe those planes are going to be maintained well enough to be flight worthy. The expertise required to do so, let alone any sort of pilot ability. They're more trophies than a threat.
This ^^^ yes