US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
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TheRealFingers99 said:
ISIS Mosul governor killed in air strike along with 3 other leaders.
Rajab said that three other ISIS leaders, one of them a Saudi national, were also killed in the airstrike in the Mushayrafa area of Mosul.That's proof enough, let's bomb them.
Mermaid said:
Rajab said that three other ISIS leaders, one of them a Saudi national, were also killed in the airstrike in the Mushayrafa area of Mosul.
That's proof enough, let's bomb them.
Hang on, wouldn't that mean, logically, bombing ourselves too? That's proof enough, let's bomb them.
(And the Dutch, French, Chechens, Israelis, US.........)Sooner or later the Saudis will get their comeuppance: personally I hope it's from Saudi petrol head feminists, but..........
TheRealFingers99 said:
Mermaid said:
Rajab said that three other ISIS leaders, one of them a Saudi national, were also killed in the airstrike in the Mushayrafa area of Mosul.
That's proof enough, let's bomb them.
Hang on, wouldn't that mean, logically, bombing ourselves too? That's proof enough, let's bomb them.
(And the Dutch, French, Chechens, Israelis, US.........)Mermaid said:
Not at all, they funded the monster and we can choose to be as selective as we want & adopt the religion of convenience for the "greater good". Few tears will be shed. And we will permit their females to drive, as and when.
Well, it's not only them, and not all them. The Turks have quite a part in this. "We will permit their females to drive......."(!) Were you to come out with that in the Rojava I'm sure one of the women would stick an AK up your back passage and click it to full auto.....
It's a basic right, just like voting, or deciding whether or not to wear the Hijab, or access to birth control......
TheRealFingers99 said:
Mermaid said:
Not at all, they funded the monster and we can choose to be as selective as we want & adopt the religion of convenience for the "greater good". Few tears will be shed. And we will permit their females to drive, as and when.
Well, it's not only them, and not all them. The Turks have quite a part in this. "We will permit their females to drive......."(!) Were you to come out with that in the Rojava I'm sure one of the women would stick an AK up your back passage and click it to full auto.....
It's a basic right, just like voting, or deciding whether or not to wear the Hijab, or access to birth control......
Mermaid said:
The Saudis are in breach of that human right. Let's bomb them.
And bombing has been so very successful? We can't even support the people who are doing the fighting against the Daesh effectively (and Daesh are very much self financing now) without opening up a second front against a country equipped with F-15s, Tornado and Typhoon, trained by US and us! TheRealFingers99 said:
Mermaid said:
The Saudis are in breach of that human right. Let's bomb them.
And bombing has been so very successful? We can't even support the people who are doing the fighting against IS effectively (and IS are very much self financing now) without opening up a second front against a country equipped with F-15s, Tornado and Typhoon, trained by US and us! Saudis would run away faster than the Iraqi army (Mk1 & Mk2) did.
Mermaid said:
So why could the Saudis not deal with IS by themselves, after all they are well trained & well armed.
Saudis would run away faster than the Iraqi army (Mk1 & Mk2) did.
I doubt they'd run. And I doubt that the US or UK would take on an almost equally well equipped force miles away from home. All else aside, with ISIS disrupting Iraqi oil supplies, you'd be nuts to bomb the Saudis. Look ma, no petrol! Saudis would run away faster than the Iraqi army (Mk1 & Mk2) did.
Then again, why should the Saudis take on ISIS by themselves? Even if they didn't see those opposing ISIS on the ground as "frenemies" at best, they don't seem to see themselves as the world's policemen.
Very heavy coalition bombing raids on Sinjar in Northern Iraq. Sinjar is where the Yazidi were rescued earlier in the year, and where a few thousand have again taken refuge (along with a few Peshmerga) on the top of the mountain.
It looks like being a crucial take for the coalition -- firstly, because it would enable another Peshmerga (perhaps again, with the help of a cross boarder YPG/YPJ force from the Jazeera Canton) rescue (more APCs and helicopters this time, please) of the Yazidi, secondly because Sinjar is on the road to Tal Afar which is, it seems, Daesh's main supply route and where many of the female Yazidi hostages are held, thirdly, because taking Tal Afar pretty much completes the encirclement of Mosul.
For the bombing: http://basnews.com/en/news/2014/11/20/coalition-ai...
For the previous rescue: http://www.iraqoilreport.com/news/rescued-mount-si...
Life in Mosul under ISIS: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-296005...
It looks like being a crucial take for the coalition -- firstly, because it would enable another Peshmerga (perhaps again, with the help of a cross boarder YPG/YPJ force from the Jazeera Canton) rescue (more APCs and helicopters this time, please) of the Yazidi, secondly because Sinjar is on the road to Tal Afar which is, it seems, Daesh's main supply route and where many of the female Yazidi hostages are held, thirdly, because taking Tal Afar pretty much completes the encirclement of Mosul.
For the bombing: http://basnews.com/en/news/2014/11/20/coalition-ai...
For the previous rescue: http://www.iraqoilreport.com/news/rescued-mount-si...
Life in Mosul under ISIS: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-296005...
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Friday 21st November 01:56
I never, ever, thought I'd agree with him, but the Kurdish press has widely picked up on one time Republican front runner John McCain:
"On a program for the MSNBC network, Former Republican Presidential candidate Senator John McCain said that Turkish President Erdogan had turned into an "oppressive dictator".
McCain said, "Erdogan has become a real Islamist. Even worse, he has become an oppressive dictator. A real disappointment. The Turkish media is under real pressure. There more journalists in prison in Turkey than in Iran".
The presenter of the Morning Joe program that McCain was on added, "If Turkey is an open transit route for ISIS terrorists, why are we bothered with what Turkey thinks about arming the Kurds?""
From Kurdish Question (with minor spelling corrections): http://kurdishquestion.com/kurdistan/north-kurdist...
"On a program for the MSNBC network, Former Republican Presidential candidate Senator John McCain said that Turkish President Erdogan had turned into an "oppressive dictator".
McCain said, "Erdogan has become a real Islamist. Even worse, he has become an oppressive dictator. A real disappointment. The Turkish media is under real pressure. There more journalists in prison in Turkey than in Iran".
The presenter of the Morning Joe program that McCain was on added, "If Turkey is an open transit route for ISIS terrorists, why are we bothered with what Turkey thinks about arming the Kurds?""
From Kurdish Question (with minor spelling corrections): http://kurdishquestion.com/kurdistan/north-kurdist...
TheRealFingers99 said:
I never, ever, thought I'd agree with him, but the Kurdish press has widely picked up on one time Republican front runner John McCain:
"On a program for the MSNBC network, Former Republican Presidential candidate Senator John McCain said that Turkish President Erdogan had turned into an "oppressive dictator".
McCain said, "Erdogan has become a real Islamist. Even worse, he has become an oppressive dictator. A real disappointment. The Turkish media is under real pressure. There more journalists in prison in Turkey than in Iran".
wow that's a huge turn but nothing new in american foreign policy, they first cooperated with Assad before he become the worst man on the planet and now this, the "small" difference here is that Turkey is the member of NATO and if nothing else it's hilarious that one NATO member accuses other of being dictator"On a program for the MSNBC network, Former Republican Presidential candidate Senator John McCain said that Turkish President Erdogan had turned into an "oppressive dictator".
McCain said, "Erdogan has become a real Islamist. Even worse, he has become an oppressive dictator. A real disappointment. The Turkish media is under real pressure. There more journalists in prison in Turkey than in Iran".
I suspect that some deals are being made behind the scenes!
Turkish premier vows ‘any necessary means’ for Kurdish security on Erbil visit. OK, it's just a cementing of relations between Erbil (the Iraqi Kurds) and Turkey, but Erbil are saying that they're quite happy to send more Peshmerga to Kobani if necessary.
The US seem quite happy to do arms drops to the Rojava when necessary regardless of what the Turks say or imply.
The Turks are getting bad press from Israel about Hamas. (Another lever for the Americans?)http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-nabs-west-bank-terror-network-commanded-from-turkish-soil/
Turkey now seems to want a safe haven cum training zone for "moderate" Syrians, rather than the no-fly zone thing, in northern Syria. This will really mean the Free Syrian Army, parts of which are reliable and have a good relationship with the Syrian Kurds. An extended Rojava could provide that, and who better to train the FSA than the YPG/YPJ? Maybe the Americans can push the PKK/Turkey peace process forward?
There is a joke going around that the PKK have removed America from their "nasty Imperialists" list as a precursor for the Americans to remove the PKK from their "nasty terrorists" list.
On the downside, Twitter posts are starting to show pictures from Kobani of dog tired YPG/YPJ troops. It's been more than 2 months now, a long, long, slog.
Here's nicer pic that I found (the falcon/eagle is Kurdish national symbol):
Gang warfare among ISIS troops? (At the bottom.)
Turkish premier vows ‘any necessary means’ for Kurdish security on Erbil visit. OK, it's just a cementing of relations between Erbil (the Iraqi Kurds) and Turkey, but Erbil are saying that they're quite happy to send more Peshmerga to Kobani if necessary.
The US seem quite happy to do arms drops to the Rojava when necessary regardless of what the Turks say or imply.
The Turks are getting bad press from Israel about Hamas. (Another lever for the Americans?)http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-nabs-west-bank-terror-network-commanded-from-turkish-soil/
Turkey now seems to want a safe haven cum training zone for "moderate" Syrians, rather than the no-fly zone thing, in northern Syria. This will really mean the Free Syrian Army, parts of which are reliable and have a good relationship with the Syrian Kurds. An extended Rojava could provide that, and who better to train the FSA than the YPG/YPJ? Maybe the Americans can push the PKK/Turkey peace process forward?
There is a joke going around that the PKK have removed America from their "nasty Imperialists" list as a precursor for the Americans to remove the PKK from their "nasty terrorists" list.
On the downside, Twitter posts are starting to show pictures from Kobani of dog tired YPG/YPJ troops. It's been more than 2 months now, a long, long, slog.
Here's nicer pic that I found (the falcon/eagle is Kurdish national symbol):
Gang warfare among ISIS troops? (At the bottom.)
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Friday 21st November 15:13
dudleybloke said:
Who cares. He doesn't even have a passport anymore. He'll be dead soon and not a single f
k will be given.Jimbeaux said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
I doubt they'd run. And I doubt that the US or UK would take on an almost equally well equipped force miles away from home.
Mermaid is correct, they would run. For your military education, well equipped is only part of the equation.Still, there are probably more sensible answers than to bomb them!
For now:
1. They're part of the US led anti ISIS coalition
2. They're actually flying against ISIS.
So it ain't gonna happen in the near future.
Jimbeaux said:
Name the last such incident and it's date; then let's discuss the Muslim scorecard.
This isn't about a scorecard. For anti-abortionist attacks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violenc...
I know of no Muslim attacks on US abortion clinics.
For US Domestic Terrorism, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in... note that the Oklahoma bombing was, prior to 9/11, the most deadly such attack in the USA.
Brits join Canadians, Dutch, US (etc.) citizens fighting for YPG against ISIS. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/22/uk-me...
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