RE: New (old) Land Cruiser revealed

RE: New (old) Land Cruiser revealed

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TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Photek said:
garypotter said:
Also with the imports under 10 years old I believe you need something from the manufacturers to confirm it is UK equivilant and spec + a more stringent MOT (SVA or IVA or something), I am sure someone on here will ba able to advise the correct terminology.
I think that's a definite problem with the old/new LC70's, I'm not sure they now meet all the EU various nanny state laws/regulations.
If it's under 10yo, you'll need either a Certificate of Compliance from Toyota to confirm it's been EU type-approved (which doesn't exist, because it hasn't been) or the UK allows you to put it through an IVA - which it'll probably fail miserably, not least on lots of sharpish edges around the front. Some enterprising soul can get a block IVA for the model, and import a smallish number without having to test them individually, but they'd all have to be fairly similar spec.

Once they hit 10yo, it's just MOT for a UK import. Other EU countries may differ on that one and the IVA one. The UK is one of the easiest countries in the EU for this sort of stuff, b'sides being correct-hand-drive for Jap-spec tin.

Reardy Mister

13,757 posts

221 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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powerstroke said:
ecs0set said:
Is it still running on the original 1980s engine? Because if so, it's a bit crap (both in terms of emissions and power output) and if not, surely the legendary reliability will suffer when faced with today's DMFs and particulate filters?
No its a current model in the middle east and austurlsia reintroduced into the jappanesse home market
the engines are same as the 80 and 100 series ie base is a 4.2 injected straight six petrol or NA diesel 4.2 then a v8 common rail turbo diesel.
Possibly the best 4x4 if your life depends on it. Or Just proper bit of kit
If you want the real deal not some fragile toy with a transit engine thumbup
If you told me I had to see how quickly I could cross the middle of Australia from the west to eastern most tips of the island and offered me a 70 series Cruiser (I'd take a HZJ79 tray back because the cab is slightly longer than the 75) or an LR Defender plus $20,000, I would take the Cruiser.

They are really are tool you can trust with your life if you know how to use it and every mine here specs them across the board, as a result.



Edited by Reardy Mister on Thursday 28th August 04:25

petop

2,135 posts

165 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Photek said:
petop said:
Most of the armoured Land Cruisers that go around Kabul today are 70 series ones.
There are definitely some 70's around, certainly the SF boys like them for their reliability and tough off road capabilities.

However in Kabul most of the Land Cruisers are LC 200's, for a couple of reasons. The 70's are very narrow and with a couple of bigs chaps in body armour, you can't operate properly. Secondly, the LC200's are much more "luxurious" which sadly is what matters more to most VIP's being ferried around in the back.

Here's where a lot of them come from :

Stoof

Alpha
I stated that as i drive armoured B6's here in Kabul! My choice of transport at the moment is a brand new B6 LC200 after i broke the suspension on the old one. If the 200 is getting serviced then we get a 70. The 70's are used mainly for the military as "taxis" for movement of troops between bases, hence there are a fair few and mainly used by the US Forces. UK Mil used to use them but now have gone over to the LC200's. The UK ones are not supplied by the Companies you mention in the links.

Edited by petop on Thursday 28th August 05:25

Jader1973

3,946 posts

199 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Photek said:
garypotter said:
Also with the imports under 10 years old I believe you need something from the manufacturers to confirm it is UK equivilant and spec + a more stringent MOT (SVA or IVA or something), I am sure someone on here will ba able to advise the correct terminology.
I think that's a definite problem with the old/new LC70's, I'm not sure they now meet all the EU various nanny state laws/regulations. Where I'm living now I can walk into the local Toyota dealer and buy one for just a bit over $22,000 (with winch and snorkel as standard wink)...but then I'm not if I'd ever be able to register it back in Europe frown

Local Toyota Dealer
Almost $73k AUD driveaway here.

I'm struggling to see why this is news, given they've never stopped selling them in other markets like Australia.

Bibbs

3,733 posts

209 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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powerstroke said:
ecs0set said:
Is it still running on the original 1980s engine? Because if so, it's a bit crap (both in terms of emissions and power output) and if not, surely the legendary reliability will suffer when faced with today's DMFs and particulate filters?
No its a current model in the middle east and austurlsia reintroduced into the jappanesse home market
the engines are same as the 80 and 100 series ie base is a 4.2 injected straight six petrol or NA diesel 4.2 then a v8 common rail turbo diesel.
Possibly the best 4x4 if your life depends on it. Or Just proper bit of kit
If you want the real deal not some fragile toy with a transit engine thumbup
It'll probably be the 4.0 V6 petrol. As used in the current Hilux, Prado and FJ.

only1ian

684 posts

193 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Interestingly you can still buy these new in flatbed and 3 door coupe form in Oman for £15000 equivalent!! So sod importing from the japs save yourself a wedge and go Middle Eastern

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Bibbs said:
powerstroke said:
ecs0set said:
Is it still running on the original 1980s engine? Because if so, it's a bit crap (both in terms of emissions and power output) and if not, surely the legendary reliability will suffer when faced with today's DMFs and particulate filters?
No its a current model in the middle east and austurlsia reintroduced into the jappanesse home market
the engines are same as the 80 and 100 series ie base is a 4.2 injected straight six petrol or NA diesel 4.2 then a v8 common rail turbo diesel.
Possibly the best 4x4 if your life depends on it. Or Just proper bit of kit
If you want the real deal not some fragile toy with a transit engine thumbup
It'll probably be the 4.0 V6 petrol. As used in the current Hilux, Prado and FJ.
Maybe and just a shame we don't get it as an UK option for the hilux.

skyrover

12,668 posts

203 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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This shows the utter folly of trying to introduce more complexity and electrickery into vehicles that really do better without.

Are you listening Land Rover? (Defender replacement)

Pommygranite

14,229 posts

215 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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I drove this exact 'new' version about a year ago on a mine site in the middle of nowhere Western Australia for about a week.

Had 150kms on it, fabulously 80's, felt rugged as hell but not what you would cruise around suburban streets in as it was somewhat agricultural.

Great alternative to a Defender for sure.

AW111

9,455 posts

132 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Reardy Mister said:
If you told me I had to see how quickly I could cross the middle of Australia from the west to eastern most tips of the island and offered me a 70 series Cruiser (I'd take a HZJ79 tray back because the cab is slightly longer than the 75) or an LR Defender plus $20,000, I would take the Cruiser.

They are really are tool you can trust with your life if you know how to use it and every mine here specs them across the board, as a result.



Edited by Reardy Mister on Thursday 28th August 04:25
It's amusing / sad to see how landrover threw away the workhorse 4wd market. Only enthusiasts drive landrovers (when they are not repairing them), while landcruisers are everywhere, many with starship miles.

You can still get them with rubber floor mats and minimal trim, for ease of hosing them out, although the dealers will try to sell you the latest model, with carpets and electric everything.

NomduJour

18,988 posts

258 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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They threw it away when the Series III didn't move things on sufficiently in the BL days.

Nowadays there is no chance of them going after the Toyota-style volume market (and in any case the 70 Series is an antique enjoying a brief stay of execution).

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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NomduJour said:
They threw it away when the Series III didn't move things on sufficiently in the BL days.

Nowadays there is no chance of them going after the Toyota-style volume market (and in any case the 70 Series is an antique enjoying a brief stay of execution).
No antique !! It's the work horse of the world that will always have a market as long as there are dirt roads and rough places, land rover could have have had that market but once something better came along it was all over for a substandard product with a haughty atttude .. The same st that did for the British bike industry!! shame we were once world leaders in most enginering
Until arrogance and bean counters did for it.

NomduJour

18,988 posts

258 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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It absolutely is an antique and that is why it isn't selling like it used to - for example, the Australian mines aren't buying them because they aren't safe enough (majority of 70 Series are bought by fleets). Things move on.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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NomduJour said:
It absolutely is an antique and that is why it isn't selling like it used to - for example, the Australian mines aren't buying them because they aren't safe enough (majority of 70 Series are bought by fleets). Things move on.
My guess is they are buying hiluxes because profits are down and they are cheaper !!why don't you think they are safe yes a defender isn't up to much with its tinfoil bodywork and thin doors but there is some modern engineering
In the cruiser ..

NomduJour

18,988 posts

258 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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They aren't safe because they aren't safe, they're 30 years old and the basic design older still. Mining companies only want 5* safety score vehicles, 70 Series are 3* on the Oz system. They buy Rangers and Hilux (even the Hilux had to be re-engineered).

I'll happily drive around in a 70 Series (or a Defender or my old Series) but you are deceiving yourself if you think they're great to have (or try to avoid) a crash in compared even to a modern twin-cab.

Bibbs

3,733 posts

209 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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powerstroke said:
NomduJour said:
It absolutely is an antique and that is why it isn't selling like it used to - for example, the Australian mines aren't buying them because they aren't safe enough (majority of 70 Series are bought by fleets). Things move on.
My guess is they are buying hiluxes because profits are down and they are cheaper !!why don't you think they are safe yes a defender isn't up to much with its tinfoil bodywork and thin doors but there is some modern engineering
In the cruiser ..
They are not really buying anything at the moment. They want the Hilux, but it isn't 5* NCAP safety.

New Hilux out in 2016, been built/designed in partnership with BHP I think.

Back in 2012 :-
http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2012/commercial/to...

Triumph Man

8,670 posts

167 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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V8 FOU said:
griffsomething said:
I hope resurrecting old models becomes a common occurrence!
Eurghh... Like a wrinkly Sam Fox?
Isn't she a lesbinim now?

mojitomax

1,874 posts

191 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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i moved to rural OZ in Jan this year. I see loads of these old 70s covered in mud with big off road tyres, utes and wagons. They are super cool. But they hold their value massively. I'm saving my cents for a decent nick wagon to be my new go anywhere camper

405dogvan

5,326 posts

264 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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There's a common thread to the "why Land Rover lost their more-far-flung offroader markets" and it always misses the main reason.

The 2 main arguments are

1 - Toyotas were more robust/longer lasting
2 - Land Rovers got too complex for rural mechanics

There's some truth in both - although rust is often included which Toyotas do just as badly but doesn't matter in Africa!! - but the real reason Toyota beat Land Rover is more likely down to their attitude to parts.

Land Rover historically refused to ship loads of parts to foreign climes wheras Toyota shipped them in droves. That meant when your car did break, you could get parts for it within a day - in some cases within hours. Meanwhile, LR parts often had to come from hundreds-of-miles away - perhaps another country - perhaps even from the UK which delayed repairs and, obviously, drove-up the cost.

A friends of mine travelled extensively in Africa in the late 80s through late 90s - in a Land Rover - and he found parts (often ones he didn't need yet) in their droves by the side of the roads on cars long-abandoned - so it's not all bad news! smile

Edited by 405dogvan on Sunday 31st August 15:13

AW111

9,455 posts

132 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Another point is engines.

Landcruisers came out with a (crude) 4l six from the start. When you are travelling African or Australian distances, the higher cruising speed was significant.