Moto gp Silverstone -- spoilers--
Discussion
Rawwr said:
Whilst I believe Redding is worthy of a better bike, do you really believe that if he was given a Repsol Honda that he'd be any closer to Marquez than Lorenzo, Rossi, Pedrosa or anyone else on the grid? Why not give the Repsol ride to Camier, Barbera, Aoyama or Abraham?
Redding's a damn good rider, which is why he's in MotoGP, but I strongly suspect that if you put Redding and Pedrosa on identical bikes, Pedrosa would beat him nine times out of ten. Which is exactly what Honda want.
This is absolutely correct.Redding's a damn good rider, which is why he's in MotoGP, but I strongly suspect that if you put Redding and Pedrosa on identical bikes, Pedrosa would beat him nine times out of ten. Which is exactly what Honda want.
Christ almighty, this is Scott's first season in the top class, and he's doing exactly - if not more than - what is required of the lad! To suggest that he should usurp Pedrosa (with his years of experience in MotoGP, not to mention the years on 2T's against the likes of Lorenzo / Nakano / Jacque / Poggiali etc) is fanciful at best.
What a great 5 days i've had at silverstone.
In the pits thursday and redding was a total gent we watched him come out the garage and get mobbed, he didn't moan he signed had photos taken until he worked his way thru the whole crowd, total gent.
Crutchlow was pretty good with the fans, however his constant moaning is getting boring now, just shut the f
k up and see out your final races, at one point they were interviewing him dovi and iannone , crutchlow's saying how bad the bike is despite the fact the other riders have spanked him in qualifying.
Bradley Smith, is quite hyper no make that very hyper must be a nightmare to travel with.
Biggest supprise of the weekend was the moto2 race was actually good, i wanted kalio to win to close the points up but fair play to rabat he raced his ass of to get that win.
Next year who knows where we'll end up but i hope it's silverstone, the track not be the best to spectate from but get in beckettts,copse,club and you get to see the bikes for a few corners , plus they have ine infrastructure they have the camping,toilets already in place.
In the pits thursday and redding was a total gent we watched him come out the garage and get mobbed, he didn't moan he signed had photos taken until he worked his way thru the whole crowd, total gent.
Crutchlow was pretty good with the fans, however his constant moaning is getting boring now, just shut the f
k up and see out your final races, at one point they were interviewing him dovi and iannone , crutchlow's saying how bad the bike is despite the fact the other riders have spanked him in qualifying.Bradley Smith, is quite hyper no make that very hyper must be a nightmare to travel with.
Biggest supprise of the weekend was the moto2 race was actually good, i wanted kalio to win to close the points up but fair play to rabat he raced his ass of to get that win.
Next year who knows where we'll end up but i hope it's silverstone, the track not be the best to spectate from but get in beckettts,copse,club and you get to see the bikes for a few corners , plus they have ine infrastructure they have the camping,toilets already in place.
One thing about crutchlow - surely there's no chance he's got all the new bits that dovi and iannone are benefiting from now he's confirmed he's jumping ship? It's pretty clear who Ducatis golden boys are, just because Dovi keeps out qualifying cal doesn't mean the Cals bike isn't st.
t. Yazza54 said:
One thing about crutchlow - surely there's no chance he's got all the new bits that dovi and iannone are benefiting from now he's confirmed he's jumping ship? It's pretty clear who Ducatis golden boys are, just because Dovi keeps out qualifying cal doesn't mean the Cals bike isn't st.
Thist. We all know how Cal and Dovi used to battle it out on track when they were both at Tech 3 on very similar bikes, so it doesn't take rocket science to understand what has gone on at Ducati.
I was actually surprised that Dovi didn't start dropping off towards the latter part of the race like normal. They've obviously found something that has improved it
Rawwr said:
egor110 said:
Bradley Smith, is quite hyper no make that very hyper must be a nightmare to travel with.
Two questions:1) Did you see him on stage at the Day of Champions auction and;
2) how much did you want to punch him in his little ginger head?
I thought he'd be quite a quiet chap like dovi, kiyo but he was the complete opposite.
Fleegle said:
Yazza54 said:
One thing about crutchlow - surely there's no chance he's got all the new bits that dovi and iannone are benefiting from now he's confirmed he's jumping ship? It's pretty clear who Ducatis golden boys are, just because Dovi keeps out qualifying cal doesn't mean the Cals bike isn't st.
Thist. We all know how Cal and Dovi used to battle it out on track when they were both at Tech 3 on very similar bikes, so it doesn't take rocket science to understand what has gone on at Ducati.
I was actually surprised that Dovi didn't start dropping off towards the latter part of the race like normal. They've obviously found something that has improved it
Am I the only one who thinks cal should just shut up slagging off ducati for the remaining few races and enjoy the pay check?
If he's not getting new parts he's only got himself to blame as he won't use the softs.
Roll on next year a new ducati , all italian line up and cal on a honda making excuses when redding beats him
Fleegle said:
Yazza54 said:
One thing about crutchlow - surely there's no chance he's got all the new bits that dovi and iannone are benefiting from now he's confirmed he's jumping ship? It's pretty clear who Ducatis golden boys are, just because Dovi keeps out qualifying cal doesn't mean the Cals bike isn't st.
Thist. We all know how Cal and Dovi used to battle it out on track when they were both at Tech 3 on very similar bikes, so it doesn't take rocket science to understand what has gone on at Ducati.
I was actually surprised that Dovi didn't start dropping off towards the latter part of the race like normal. They've obviously found something that has improved it
Whilst the disparity between the have and have not Ducati's is pretty obvious, wouldn't you think this is a by product of Cals actions insofar as he made a move to another team so surely can't complain that the factory don't really support him going forward.
I believe that his moaning has cost him, and when he looks back at this season I would hope he would agree, however, I wonder how much of it is justified. Both Stoner and Rossi complained about the interface with the Ducati engineers and they weren't fools. One has to question why Dovi hasn't moaned and just got his head down.....maybe he's getting the better parts??
As for Cal making excuses if Redding beats him next year, I honestly can't see Cal not taking the race to him. In fact I reckon they will be the pair to watch next year for the most exciting battles
As for Cal making excuses if Redding beats him next year, I honestly can't see Cal not taking the race to him. In fact I reckon they will be the pair to watch next year for the most exciting battles
Yazza54 said:
I totally agree Steve, but all this proves the point that the bike is st not Cal, that's all I was getting at.
He's still the only british rider to bang a satellite bike on the podium and he did a hell of a lot better on that tech 3 bike that Bradley is now.
Absolutely agree. But I think rather than to say the bike is shyte, Cals bike is comparatively shyte. But why would the factory put their full weight behind Cal at this juncture, especially after the public moaning and complaints. t not Cal, that's all I was getting at.He's still the only british rider to bang a satellite bike on the podium and he did a hell of a lot better on that tech 3 bike that Bradley is now.
I agree Cal is an incredibly talented rider, but perhaps some discussions or thoughts are best kept in house rather than being aired to all and sundry on social media or whoever else will listen.
Backstabbing, and I don't think that's too harsh a term, will never motivate your support personnel to give you all they have. All they see is a riders lack of results and perhaps a lack of effort twinned with a propensity to slag you off to the wider world for their failings or inability to perform. Once that divide is created, there's no way back.
And yes, Cal was superb at T3 but didn't we all hear about the brakes issue, whereas Dovi seemed to keep his head down and just get on with it.
Cals PR people need to take him off social media and away from I terviewers for his own good and focus him back on his riding.
bass gt3 said:
Absolutely agree. But I think rather than to say the bike is shyte, Cals bike is comparatively shyte. But why would the factory put their full weight behind Cal at this juncture, especially after the public moaning and complaints.
I agree Cal is an incredibly talented rider, but perhaps some discussions or thoughts are best kept in house rather than being aired to all and sundry on social media or whoever else will listen.
Backstabbing, and I don't think that's too harsh a term, will never motivate your support personnel to give you all they have. All they see is a riders lack of results and perhaps a lack of effort twinned with a propensity to slag you off to the wider world for their failings or inability to perform. Once that divide is created, there's no way back.
And yes, Cal was superb at T3 but didn't we all hear about the brakes issue, whereas Dovi seemed to keep his head down and just get on with it.
Cals PR people need to take him off social media and away from I terviewers for his own good and focus him back on his riding.
Lowes was also guilty of slating the crew in his post race interview on TV.I agree Cal is an incredibly talented rider, but perhaps some discussions or thoughts are best kept in house rather than being aired to all and sundry on social media or whoever else will listen.
Backstabbing, and I don't think that's too harsh a term, will never motivate your support personnel to give you all they have. All they see is a riders lack of results and perhaps a lack of effort twinned with a propensity to slag you off to the wider world for their failings or inability to perform. Once that divide is created, there's no way back.
And yes, Cal was superb at T3 but didn't we all hear about the brakes issue, whereas Dovi seemed to keep his head down and just get on with it.
Cals PR people need to take him off social media and away from I terviewers for his own good and focus him back on his riding.
They should all take a lesson in when to keep your gob shut
Fleegle said:
I believe that his moaning has cost him, and when he looks back at this season I would hope he would agree, however, I wonder how much of it is justified. Both Stoner and Rossi complained about the interface with the Ducati engineers and they weren't fools. One has to question why Dovi hasn't moaned and just got his head down.....maybe he's getting the better parts??
As for Cal making excuses if Redding beats him next year, I honestly can't see Cal not taking the race to him. In fact I reckon they will be the pair to watch next year for the most exciting battles
100%As for Cal making excuses if Redding beats him next year, I honestly can't see Cal not taking the race to him. In fact I reckon they will be the pair to watch next year for the most exciting battles
Ducati have been infamous for their unwillingness to integrate rider wishes or feedback. Their belief was that they build the bike, they're the engineers now you do your job and ride it.
I can only assume this is either a corporate attitude or that of a senior figure.
But it seems Audi are starting to effect some changes and I hope this is in the top 10.
Dov keeping his head down? Maybe he knows what's around the corner and is playing a long game?
Ducati have publicly said Cal isn't getting the parts. Dovi AND Iannone are.
Dovi didn't have brake issues because he had the brakes that Cal didn't.
Cal was clever in having the opt out clause, now he has to prove he can get results with a better bike as there's little doubt it is a better bike.
Redding will only ride a full fat RCV when someone finds 3.5m to pay for it. As much as Lincsblokey tells us Marc van der Strassen is minted, he won't personally pay the fee, it's not how he goes racing, so someone else has got too.... who is the big question.
Dovi didn't have brake issues because he had the brakes that Cal didn't.
Cal was clever in having the opt out clause, now he has to prove he can get results with a better bike as there's little doubt it is a better bike.
Redding will only ride a full fat RCV when someone finds 3.5m to pay for it. As much as Lincsblokey tells us Marc van der Strassen is minted, he won't personally pay the fee, it's not how he goes racing, so someone else has got too.... who is the big question.
Johno said:
Ducati have publicly said Cal isn't getting the parts. Dovi AND Iannone are.
Dovi didn't have brake issues because he had the brakes that Cal didn't.
Cal was clever in having the opt out clause, now he has to prove he can get results with a better bike as there's little doubt it is a better bike.
Redding will only ride a full fat RCV when someone finds 3.5m to pay for it. As much as Lincsblokey tells us Marc van der Strassen is minted, he won't personally pay the fee, it's not how he goes racing, so someone else has got too.... who is the big question.
MR VDS wont pay out of his own pocket, what he will do is stump up the money until new sponsorship deals come into force at seasons end, Bortholomey was quite open in saying they are already 90% there and honda have given the MVDS team, and only them, until the next round to place the order as it is HRC's preferred option. Dovi didn't have brake issues because he had the brakes that Cal didn't.
Cal was clever in having the opt out clause, now he has to prove he can get results with a better bike as there's little doubt it is a better bike.
Redding will only ride a full fat RCV when someone finds 3.5m to pay for it. As much as Lincsblokey tells us Marc van der Strassen is minted, he won't personally pay the fee, it's not how he goes racing, so someone else has got too.... who is the big question.
As for Cal, lets not forget he wasnt getting the development parts BEFORE he signed for LCR, so nit a chance he will now, reading between several lines, iannone & dovi had a new swingarm, new forks, brakes and yokes to adjust rake & trail, as well as engine mapping developments, so that could account for the increase in pace.
with regards to his LCR deal, im keeping quietly confident he will shut the doubters up, you dont lose pace overnight, nor do you get a HRC supported ride of your crap, at the end of the day Cal has ALWAYS been vocal since his R6 cup days, and always will be, some dont like it, yet love the fake PR smile of other riders, the same bunch of riders of whom one got caught being very nastily vocal about a fans child he had just been asked to have a picture with at silverstone on friday...
Lincsblokey said:
As for Cal, lets not forget he wasnt getting the development parts BEFORE he signed for LCR, .
The question is what caused the relationship to turn sobad so quickly?? It seems that each party may have got off on the wrong foot and never recovered...Lincsblokey said:
with regards to his LCR deal, im keeping quietly confident he will shut the doubters up, you dont lose pace overnight, nor do you get a HRC supported ride of your crap, ...
Agreed, lets hope he shuts the doubters up........
Lincsblokey said:
at the end of the day Cal has ALWAYS been vocal since his R6 cup days, ...
And lets hope Cal learns when to shut up. just because he was vocal in the R6 Championship isn't reason to still behave in such a manner. In the intervening years you'd hope people learn a level of maturity and professionalism that they didn't have in their formative years. Slagging off your team or bosses is only ever going to end up one way. Trying to publically humiliate someone or cajole them into a course of action by trying to create a groundswell of public and peer opinion will never work. Usually has quite the opposite effect in truth.
As said, Cal needs to set his t
tter account,Facebook and Instagram shyte to oneside, say nothing to reporters if there's nothing good to say and let his riding do the talking. LCR really is the end of the line for him.Edited by bass gt3 on Monday 1st September 12:18
Lincsblokey said:
Johno said:
Ducati have publicly said Cal isn't getting the parts. Dovi AND Iannone are.
Dovi didn't have brake issues because he had the brakes that Cal didn't.
Cal was clever in having the opt out clause, now he has to prove he can get results with a better bike as there's little doubt it is a better bike.
Redding will only ride a full fat RCV when someone finds 3.5m to pay for it. As much as Lincsblokey tells us Marc van der Strassen is minted, he won't personally pay the fee, it's not how he goes racing, so someone else has got too.... who is the big question.
MR VDS wont pay out of his own pocket, what he will do is stump up the money until new sponsorship deals come into force at seasons end, Bortholomey was quite open in saying they are already 90% there and honda have given the MVDS team, and only them, until the next round to place the order as it is HRC's preferred option. Dovi didn't have brake issues because he had the brakes that Cal didn't.
Cal was clever in having the opt out clause, now he has to prove he can get results with a better bike as there's little doubt it is a better bike.
Redding will only ride a full fat RCV when someone finds 3.5m to pay for it. As much as Lincsblokey tells us Marc van der Strassen is minted, he won't personally pay the fee, it's not how he goes racing, so someone else has got too.... who is the big question.
As for Cal, lets not forget he wasnt getting the development parts BEFORE he signed for LCR, so nit a chance he will now, reading between several lines, iannone & dovi had a new swingarm, new forks, brakes and yokes to adjust rake & trail, as well as engine mapping developments, so that could account for the increase in pace.
with regards to his LCR deal, im keeping quietly confident he will shut the doubters up, you dont lose pace overnight, nor do you get a HRC supported ride of your crap, at the end of the day Cal has ALWAYS been vocal since his R6 cup days, and always will be, some dont like it, yet love the fake PR smile of other riders, the same bunch of riders of whom one got caught being very nastily vocal about a fans child he had just been asked to have a picture with at silverstone on friday...
One thing that stands out this year is riding style evolution , I was photographing from luffield and everyone knows marquez gets his elbow down but lorenzo does just as much, he's changed his riding style to try and remain competative.
I thought cal was pretty good with the fans in the pits , at one point he signed loads of stuff and was about to ride off and he must of noticed he'd missed a child who'd been waiting so he stopped signed something did a selfie for the kid and then rode off.
Re redding and marc vds its not just the cost of the hondas they need to find its the cost of freight,staff travel they have to budget for as they'd be a new team, this is why aprilla would like gressini to run there factory team as it would save them a huge amount of money.
Haven't aspar chucked there name in the hat for the hondas also? I was amazed how big there hospitality was,dwarfed the honda and yamaha efforts.
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