RE: Shed Of The Week: Alfa Romeo 147 Selespeed

RE: Shed Of The Week: Alfa Romeo 147 Selespeed

Friday 29th August 2014

Shed Of The Week: Alfa Romeo 147 Selespeed

Lots to like in this smart looking Alfa, one significant thing possibly not to



A good few years back, in the phantom age between the last Alfa Romeo classics of the 60s (the gorgeous Arese-built 105/115 coupes) and modern, corporate Alfas like the 156, Shed shared a big house with an Alfa nut. This poor sap bought one Alfa after another, never had less than three in the yard, and never seemed to enjoy a quiet moment when there wasn't something wrong with at least one of them.

It's pretty and seemingly in pretty good nick
It's pretty and seemingly in pretty good nick
The last time Shed saw this chap, now sadly deceased, he had a GTV Spider, a GTV6 and a Giulia 1600, all clinging on to some sort of life but all in various states of shabbiness. For him, however, it didn't matter: Alfa ownership was a calling, something that had to be done by somebody, and he was happy to offer himself up for the task. When challenged about the madness of it all, he would simply smile ruefully and shrug the 'it's out of my hands' shrug of the mainlining addict. He just couldn't help himself.

The emotional pull that Alfas used to exert on their owners isn't so strong now. Quality control niggles unresolved by poorly-supported dealer networks mean that modern Alfas tend to be damned with faint praise by those who remember their illustrious forebears - which is a shame because, in the same way that old Alfas perhaps weren't quite as good as we like to think they were, the current crop is nowhere near as bad as they're often painted.

Take the 147, a Focus-sized three- or five-door hatch that was warmly welcomed on its 2000 launch. Indeed, it was European Car of the Year in 2001. It offered the option of a 'new world of services accessed simply by pressing a CONNECT key on the facia, summoning operators based at a state-of-the-art Contact Centre located in Arese'. Wonder if that call centre is still there, manned by dead-eyed pensioners who haven't been told they're no longer required?

Selespeed transmission will put many off
Selespeed transmission will put many off
Anyway, forgetting about that, the 147 looked the part and had an appealing range of 1.6, 2.0 and (in the GTA) 3.2-litre multivalve petrol engines. Autodelta would bore the six out to 3.7 litres if you asked them nicely, increasing power from 247hp to 325hp: they even did a supercharged version churning out 400hp.

Our Shed is the 150hp 2.0 litre, which is good. The performance for that amount of power could not in all fairness be described as startling, but then again this is an automatic. Or, to be more accurate, a semi-automatic. Yes, our Shed is a (whisper it) Selespeed.

There used to be a dedicated website called selespeedsucks.co.uk. Appropriately, perhaps, it has conked out. One PHer summed up the two basic problems with Selespeed, one being electronics, the other being Italians. He did have the decency to apply the politically correct rider that, in isolation, neither of these elements constituted a particular problem. It was just the combination that had the potential to bemuse.

Here's some first hand experience from PHer gudinskas that will explain far better than we ever could the driving attributes of this, er, interesting transmission.

"I think some people buy it thinking it is a proper automatic transmission, which it is not. It is not as simple as just putting the foot on the throttle and ignoring revs like you would with a full automatic with torque converter. The ECU is programmed to modulate the throttle (so you sound like a pro with a nice automatic throttle blip on the downshift), but to get it really smooth you need to ease off the throttle a touch when you upshift and otherwise behave a bit like you would when driving a manual. I never use the City mode and do all the shifting myself. The City mode stays in first too long off the start (even when accelerating slowly or moderately), which I think is much of the reason people say the Selespeed is too lurchy. Shifting manually at a lower rpm (unless you are gunning it) will solve this problem.

One owner from (almost) new offers hope
One owner from (almost) new offers hope
"The quibble I have with the Selespeed is that even in 'manual' mode it downshifts automatically unless you do it first, meaning that you might go to downshift from third in the approach to a roundabout and find yourself suddenly in first because you gave an instruction to drop the gear an instant after the computer decided to drop a gear. You never have to worry about blowing the engine because of this though - the ECU will never put you into a gear that puts you over the redline, but it is annoying. The only answer to this is to get a feel for the evil gremlin inside and pre-empt him, meaning I annoy my fiancee with high-revving engine braking more than I should. It is sequential so you need to downshift all the way through the gears ... sometimes too much trouble and you might as well just slow down and let the transmission downshift you through the gears.

"Paddle shifting is a bit unnatural but I find it is great for safely taking on twisty B-roads at speed. Your hands never leave the wheel and you don't have to think about waiting until after you finish a turn to reach down and shift, you can upshift in the middle of a turn and just keep steering."

Thanks gudinskas. It should be noted that some owners have experienced no difficulties with their Selespeed transmissions. OK, the 'Selespeed failure' warning will occasionally light up on the dash, but will generally disappear on restarting. Sometimes the clutch plunger (a real thing) will go walkabout, shifting the box up from second to fifth when the trans is warm, rather than the more predictable arrival of third.

What else can test your patience with these cars? Well, if you were Shed's defunct mate, nothing. But what about the rest of us? Numerous software upgrades have been issued over the years by Alfa Romeo to ensmoothen jerky upchanges on part or heavy throttle settings, but you can make that happen yourself by tapping off a bit on the changes, just as you might do in a Smart car. But there's not a lot you can do about the flaky solenoids, relays, multiplugs and sensors that will randomly put you on the side of the road scratching your head and cursing all things Italian.

If she goes as well as she looks...
If she goes as well as she looks...
Clutches and actuators can fail at alarmingly low mileages, and you can expect short shrift from Alfa dealers. Selespeed fluid pressure and the position of the clutch rod are both crucial. If you don't hear the pump priming the system for about seven seconds after opening the door, expect problems. Some old hands reckon a diagnostic laptop and cable are an essential part of every Selespeed owner's toolbox. One PHer reported a catastrophic ventilated crankcase scenario: timing belts need changing at 36K miles.

Ignore all that and look at the rest of what's on offer here. A very clean two-owner car with a nice spec, lovely leather seats and of course the electronic traction control that was debuted by Alfa in the 147.

The 147 can't have been all that bad: Alfa made over half a million of them over 10 years, replacing it in 2010 with the rather faceless Giulietta. Eeeh, remember the 147, that was a lovely car that was, not like the Alfas of today, grumble, moan, etc. See? That's the Alfa effect for you. Just be ready for the occasional jolting dose of blood-red reality looming through the rose-tinted mist.


Here's the ad.

Semi automatic (change manually or fully auto). Lovely clean car owned by present owner since one year from new. Low mileage for year. Fantastically comfortable leather seats., BLUE, 3 owners, Next MOT due 12/11/2014, taxed until July 2015. Part service history, Electric windows, CD player, Heated seats, Height adjustable driver's seat, Folding rear seats, Child seat points (Isofix system), Alloy wheels, Power steering, Steering wheel rake adjustment, Steering wheel reach adjustment, Cruise control, Traction control, Central locking, Alarm, Immobiliser, Driver's airbags, Side airbags, Passenger airbags. £995 ono

   
   
   
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V8 FOU

Original Poster:

2,971 posts

147 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Brilliant cars. Bought one last year for £500, fitted some part worn tyres, new wipers and changed the oil and filter. Then went on holiday and ragged it up and down the A68 and did the Keilder Forest drive twice. Absolutely brilliant. One of the best cars I have ever had. It's going to Italy next year - ideal for ragging over the mountain passes. Love the Selespeed BTW, as in the write up you need to learn how to get the best out of it.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

135 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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A cracking motor for the money - are the gearboxes really that bad?

I'd prefer it in red, but at a grand, you can't be picky I suppose!

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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I've heard that in the trade the Selespeed gearbox is nick named the Sellafield - due to the potential for catastrophic failure.

Good looking shed otherwise.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

247 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Always had a soft spot for these (and the 156). Just haven't read a single good thing about the gearbox.

leedsutd1

770 posts

186 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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someone told me ALFA stands for A Lot of Fucxxxg Agro
£1,000 does not feel a good buy for a 14 year old 147

Limpet

6,305 posts

161 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Love the car, but wouldn't have a Selespeed as a gift.

Uncle John

4,282 posts

191 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Just bought a 147 Lusso JTDm and although it's powered by the devils juice it's a great little car and drives like an Alfa should with it's egg you on mentality and terrier like handling.

Very comfy with full leather/climate/heated seats/cruise etc. Mines the facelift with FSH so I paid a fair bit more. It all works and I thrap it up and down the motorway and it returns 50mpg so well happy with that.

The Twin Sparks use a bit of oil so needs to be checked weekly so worth quizing any seller on their weekly maintenance.

Tom_C76

1,923 posts

188 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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The Selespeed sounds very much like the dry clutch DSG I had on my Fabia vRS. That too would do auto downshifts just as I was pulling the paddle for a manual one, leading to rather loud attempts to take roundabouts in first.

forzaminardi

2,289 posts

187 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Still a lovely-looking car. I remember sitting in a 147 at the Birmingham motorshow (I assume in 2001) and being impressed by the looks of the car and the quality of its interior. It seemed to me that the 147 was very much ahead of the competition in terms of giving small hatchback drivers a degree of luxury and style normally only available on larger cars. Compared to its contemporary competition the Alfa seemed a cut above.

You do still see quite a lot of them on the roads, so in the main they seem to be surprisingly sturdy. I liked the idea of the Selespeed box but even when brand new you got the feeling that choosing it would be risky. I can imagine it is possibly a little frustrating to use in practice - I tend to think semi-autos of whatever vintage give you the worst of both worlds.

mini1380cc

2,944 posts

171 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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I don't see the appeal in these at all. All i see is a glorified FIAT. A GTA on the other hand would float my boat.

nw28840

985 posts

179 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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I bought a MANUAL 2.0 Litre TSpark exactly a year ago in red (it's actually various shades of red !) off eBay for £560 - needed taxing though , which was £280 for the year.
Had it serviced soon after by a local mechanic and a coupe of small bits done.
Just passed it's first MOT under my ownership (needed front brake pads doing, total cost including MOT was £170).

Been a great car so far as a runaround, i have only done 2500 miles in it mind - nearly all jouneys of 10 miles or less. Filled it up 6 times in the last year and added a litre of oil last week.

Other issues :

  • Key remote boot release not working on either keys - reoplaced battery in one of the key fobs and the boot release started to work fine for a week or so - now when you press the button it does the same as 'button 2' and just central-locks the car.
  • Drivers side electris window switch panel fell apart - secoind hand replacement sourced and fitted but now the odometer flashes constantly - google shows this is normal and that Alfa diags need to be run after any work is done to the electric windows switch panel.
Car has done 115k.


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Looks pretty smart i think smile

Edited by nw28840 on Friday 29th August 09:57


Edited by nw28840 on Friday 29th August 10:20

mrtwisty

3,057 posts

165 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Very pretty little cars these. I regularly see a lovely '08 plate red one (with Q2 diff) that gets me salivating every time.

A 14 year old Sillyspeed though? For a grand? No thanks.

markmullen

15,877 posts

234 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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I had a 147, albeit a manual diesel, as my daily smoker for a couple of years, great little car.

The only issues I had in mine was the front suspension being made of chocolate, and its predilection for eating bulbs.

dukebox9reg

1,570 posts

148 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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I'm assuming the selespeed is just an automated single clutch manual, the same as the Smart, Vauxhalls useless easytronic and the nodding dog EGTS in the Pug/Citroen range.

They are still rubbish nowadays so Italian and over a decade old I cant imagine it is that good. Having to drive around it doesn't make it fun, makes it a pain the arse.

The wife has had an old 51 plate Corsa 1.2 easytronic and now has a new Picasso EGTS. Pain in the backside. Newest Citroen box is still slow and dimwitted but still a lot better than Vauxhalls earlier effort.


dlockhart

434 posts

172 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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The 3.2 v6 was a peach at the time. taking on Porsche and BMW 6 pot engines. This could be a lot of fun with the right engine although 150 bhp from a NA engine is not exactly a slouch

x19dude

22 posts

137 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Oh God Definitely not! - I had one a few years ago for 3 months (previously had 10 alfas and about 4 fiats and currently have a delta integrale evo). That car broke down on me 7 times in 3 months and went back for 4 selespeed resets and had various actuators changed and sensors changed as well. It was the one alfa that broke my heart.
When it was working though it was fantastic - the gearchange was slick, the interior and the bose sound system were wonderful and it handled well to boot.

Would I recommend to anyone to have one - definitely not - I can put up with most alfa traits but a bad selespeed is definitely one step too far - There are much better ways to spend money on SOTW than on this one.

DMN

2,983 posts

139 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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markmullen said:
The only issues I had in mine was the front suspension being made of chocolate, and its predilection for eating bulbs.
Thats an issue with this whole Alfa range, the 156, 147 and the GT. My 156 ate its way through upper wishbones.

PistonBroker

2,414 posts

226 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Always happy to defend Alfas, having run a sheddy 98S 156 1.8 many moons ago for a year without issue.

There's no way I can suggest buying a Selespeed is a good idea though. Go find a manual!

TNH

559 posts

147 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Still a fantastic looking car in my opinion.

However, after trying to live with a SillySpeed box myself for 7 months, this one is definitely to be avoided.

1878

821 posts

163 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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DMN said:
markmullen said:
The only issues I had in mine was the front suspension being made of chocolate, and its predilection for eating bulbs.
Thats an issue with this whole Alfa range, the 156, 147 and the GT. My 156 ate its way through upper wishbones.
Thankfully a fairly cheap fix, though still annoying.