Police and Crime Commisioners Wow Just Wow

[mph1977]

eccles said:

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There are so many more stories in the press about unacceptable waiting times for ambulances, the reports of droves of paramedics leaving etc etc. It looks almost deliberate so the private sector can swoop in and save the nation!

or it reflects a combination of the intransigence of the Big white taxi service ' mindset' or ' no-one ever got sacked for transporting' combined with reluctance to go out of area along with the dleuded fight over bandings that shows nothing except the ignorance of ambulancestaff and the ambulance sector unions on how the Agenda for change job evaluation scheme works and that a new drug or referral pathway does not equal 'a new skill' unless something fundamental changes .

Given this it is perhaps unsuprising that senior Management in the NHS ambulance service are happy to see the service contract as long as they retain control of comms and dispatch, the provision of most of the RRVs, the shiny , sexy stuff like HART but a quite happy to see urgent tier and a significant proportion of A+E ambulance transport sub contracted to preferred suppliers topped up with 'power by the hour' when demand / funding requires / permits...

it comes down to NHS as a monolithic body ( which suits Unison and Unite and the paid for by employers full time officers) vs NHS as concept and means of paying for services which would be otherwise fragmented and unaffordable for the average person.

[eccles]

mph1977 said:

eccles said:

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There are so many more stories in the press about unacceptable waiting times for ambulances, the reports of droves of paramedics leaving etc etc. It looks almost deliberate so the private sector can swoop in and save the nation!

or it reflects a combination of the intransigence of the Big white taxi service ' mindset' or ' no-one ever got sacked for transporting' combined with reluctance to go out of area along with the dleuded fight over bandings that shows nothing except the ignorance of ambulancestaff and the ambulance sector unions on how the Agenda for change job evaluation scheme works and that a new drug or referral pathway does not equal 'a new skill' unless something fundamental changes .

So if the minnions are so ignorant, perhaps the management should do a better job of explaining it to them instead of doing the usual blame the unions routine.

[Derek Smith]

I support a level 6 rugby tea and go to all matches. The danger of injury to players has increased due to the lack of ambulances. Even when one does arrive, it is normally some paramedic on a motorcycle who then doesn't do anything as we have a doctor on the team and another who comes to most matches. So the PM radios back to say that an ambulance is required and then we have to wait for some time for an ambulance to arrive. So present systems tend to hit the target but end up delaying hospitalisation. The government know this but don't care.

The doctor once told the call taker that he was a doctor and that in his opinion the lad required urgent hospitalisation. According to the paramedic, if the comms staff know there's someone medically qualified the urgency is lessened.

The ambulance service is being destroyed. I have little doubt that this is in order to privatise it.

The reason for the police being all but destroyed is, as pointed out earlier, the Sheehey report being largely derided and the person who created it bears a grudge.

I've voted for all the major parties, including some that no longer exist, but for the majority of time it has been tory.

But there's not way I want Cameron to remain. The bloke is a danger.

The PCCs are just one, rather farcical, illustration that Cameron hasn't got a clue. Big society - anyone heard of that expensive white elephant lately?

[carinaman]

Derek Smith said:

But there's not way I want Cameron to remain. The bloke is a danger.

I watched the day of the Tory Conference with Grayling, May and Boris on iplayer. It was possibly the most disturbing thing I've seen this year.

Derek Smith said:

The PCCs are just one, rather farcical, illustration that Cameron hasn't got a clue. Big society - anyone heard of that expensive white elephant lately

PCCs and the Big Society? Jobs for the boys and all part of the masterplan.

[neenaw]

mph1977 said:

The ambulance service is not in meltdown

Really?
I've no idea what gives you that impression but looking from the inside out, I'd say it's almost certainly in meltdown where I work.

Youre not in management somewhere in the NHS are you by any chance?

[mph1977]

neenaw said:

mph1977 said:

The ambulance service is not in meltdown

Really?
I've no idea what gives you that impression but looking from the inside out, I'd say it's almost certainly in meltdown where I work.

Youre not in management somewhere in the NHS are you by any chance?

I can just see through the rubbish unison put out and have seen the data on the lack of productivity of some crews/ comolexes/ services.

[Kermit power]

I live in Surrey. We've got this chap.

I voted for him, purely on the grounds that he wasn't a party political candidate (even though he had tried for the Tory nomination!) and in this position, I would've voted for a rabid otter before I would've voted for a party political candidate. I don't think politics has any place in the running of policing at an individual force level.

It was actually quite nice being somewhere with a tight election for once! Ever since I turned 18, I've voted in every general election, and in each case, I was in one of the 20 safest Labour or Tory seats in the country, so it felt like the first time my vote actually made a difference to the outcome.

Since he was elected, I've not seen anything to make me regret my choice, either.

[carinaman]

Did I hear PCC Vera Baird talking sense on Bail with respect to the Paul Gambacinni, saying that it's not entirely necessary to have people on bail for so long and there are two other ways of doing it.

Is she a QC as well? She may be a decent PCC.

[carinaman]

Another one gets it slightly wrong:

http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Police-commissi...

[carinaman]

And another one:

http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/community/communi...

[FiF]

Elroy Blue said:

mph1977 said:

The ambulance service is not in meltdown

Without wishing to be direct, bks.

I've got over 20 years in the job. Only in the last few years have I had to wait with seriously injured people over an hour for an ambulance. Only in the last few years have I been repeatedly told there are no ambulances available. And only in the last few years do we often take people to hospital in Police cars. A colleague of mine called 999 a few weeks ago when his young daughter collapsed. An ambulance arrived...from bloody St Johns. They crew were not adequately trained and her life was saved by a doctor who lives next door.

This is being repeated across the country. In London it's even worse. This isn't caused by staff, it's caused be 'reform'. Otherwise known as cuts.

Stop using us as ambulance drivers. Senior police chiefs have begun a national inquiry into mounting concerns that their staff are being forced to act as ambulance drivers and having to administer rudimentary first aid at the scene.

[FiF]

Also seems as if there was a fair bit of collusion between BBC and South Yorkshire on the raid on Sir Cliff, hand in hand is the phrase used. Plus even agreed to continue to collude "after the dust has settled."

link

Puts back wooden spoon.

[Elroy Blue]

FiF said:

Stop using us as ambulance drivers. Senior police chiefs have begun a national inquiry into mounting concerns that their staff are being forced to act as ambulance drivers and having to administer rudimentary first aid at the scene.

What's worse is the fact the guy died is now recorded as 'death following Police contact' and the Officers are investigated by the IPCC. In a few years it will be dragged up by son of Eclassey as an example of 'murdering Police'

[carinaman]

FiF said:

Also seems as if there was a fair bit of collusion between BBC and South Yorkshire on the raid on Sir Cliff, hand in hand is the phrase used. Plus even agreed to continue to collude "after the dust has settled."

link

Puts back wooden spoon.

What were the BBC thinking?

How does that report tally with what we saw televised about the appearance in front of Vaz?

The BBC, like quite a few plod, aren't impartial.

[carinaman]

A PCC talks sense?:

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/nobodys-diedstop-wit...

Edited by carinaman on Thursday 12th February 20:30

[carinaman]

It's good to see Northumbria PCC Mrs Vera Baird QC taking complaints against her Chief Constable seriously.

dudleybloke posted about comments made by Northants PCC Adam Simmonds about wanting to know why Cyril Smith was let go after being stopped with child porn in his car on the M1 in the 1980s.

I've since done some reading online about some of his ideas and what he's been up to. It all seems a bit Common Purpose Space Lizardy to me.

[carinaman]

I just chanced upon this having been prompted by another NP&E thread to look for a link:

http://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/top-stori...

[manic47]

This is a better link

http://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/top-stori...


How he's hung on so long I'll never know...

He's survived the grief over appointing his associates from the Conservative party with no interviews/adverts.
Needing 34 staff and a huge budget to oversee a very small police force.
The 'Faith Director' who seems to exist solely to give money to Christian groups.
The free school planned.
His apparent ability to manipulate the Northampton Chronicle.

That said, if the Conservative party reselects him I'm sure he'll get back in so he can continue the madness.

[Randy Winkman]

manic47 said:

This is a better link

http://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/top-stori...


How he's hung on so long I'll never know...

He's survived the grief over appointing his associates from the Conservative party with no interviews/adverts.
Needing 34 staff and a huge budget to oversee a very small police force.
The 'Faith Director' who seems to exist solely to give money to Christian groups.
The free school planned.
His apparent ability to manipulate the Northampton Chronicle.

That said, if the Conservative party reselects him I'm sure he'll get back in so he can continue the madness.

The "free school" policy in general is going to backfire with all sorts of horror-stories in a few years time. It's just political principle with little thought for the consequences.

[carinaman]

Randy Winkman said:

The "free school" policy in general is going to backfire with all sorts of horror-stories in a few years time. It's just political principle with little thought for the consequences.

I was talking to someone about his faith school at the weekend and the idea of having police officers in schools, doing a bit more than just providing a police presence and discipline and they said that that sounded like a cult.

There has been some mutterings about an Islasmic fifth column, but there seems to be a little clan of Christian do gooders in the Tory party promoting their agenda and ideas.

Perhaps it's people like PCC Adam Simmonds that make UKIP seem like the old Tory party? The current Tories are a bit too Blairite and Common Purpose?