5 Year Old Cancer Patient Abducted By Parents From Hospital!
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The more I think about this the angrier I get!
And from the BBC:
[b] The Proton Therapy Centre (PTC) in Prague, Czech Republic, which received a request from Brett King on 20 August, said it can treat Ashya immediately if he is eligible.
Iva Tatounova, director of strategy at PTC Czech, said: "The centre is keen on starting the treatment in a few days. The costs would be dealt with later on."
She said the centre would need the necessary medical documentation before they could agree on the appropriateness of treatment, which usually costs £60,000 - £65,000 for children. [/b]
So assessment for the proton treatment is now being delayed. From the sounds of it if 'the authorities' get their way he'll be flown back here to get radiotherapy instead!
And from the BBC:
[b] The Proton Therapy Centre (PTC) in Prague, Czech Republic, which received a request from Brett King on 20 August, said it can treat Ashya immediately if he is eligible.
Iva Tatounova, director of strategy at PTC Czech, said: "The centre is keen on starting the treatment in a few days. The costs would be dealt with later on."
She said the centre would need the necessary medical documentation before they could agree on the appropriateness of treatment, which usually costs £60,000 - £65,000 for children. [/b]
So assessment for the proton treatment is now being delayed. From the sounds of it if 'the authorities' get their way he'll be flown back here to get radiotherapy instead!
Edited by chris1roll on Monday 1st September 18:39
QuantumTokoloshi said:
NoNeed said:
tangerine_sedge said:
NoNeed said:
Few stories have angered me as much as this one the whole system stinks.
Agreed.It appears that Parents have control right up to the point that they disagree with the hospital, then their guardianship is replaced by the local authority.
Nothing I've seen about this case indicates that the parents have neglected their son, or have intended harm in any way. Everything I've seen about the hospital indicates self-righteous spitefulness and a 'we know best' attitude.
I can't understand why an arrest-warrant has been placed on the parents - what crime have they actually committed, other than daring to take control of the situation and seek an alternative medical solution?
While these loving parents are in handcuffs I don't think I ever will.
NoNeed said:
So most people are angry as I am. Question now is what can we realistically do about it as government wheels turn very slowly and the sooner these parents get back to the child the better.
I'm thinking a facebook campaign
actually I'm think riot but can't make that sound appealing.
There's a petition here but I don't think anyone's under any illusions as to the effectiveness of those though, sadly.I'm thinking a facebook campaign
actually I'm think riot but can't make that sound appealing.
What on earth is the system doing to these people, issuing an international arrest warrant is such arrogant behaviour and the end result, a lonely child in a foreign hospital and still not receiving treatment.
It is an appauling situation, the parents should be released immediately. I really can't believe this has happened as it is so cruel.
It is an appauling situation, the parents should be released immediately. I really can't believe this has happened as it is so cruel.
This situation makes me quite angry and also incredibly sad. The little boy is now stuck in a foreign hospital where he cannot have contact with anyone familiar. How can this be a good outcome, what the hell are the police and NHS trying to achieve here, I mean are they really going to force the whole family back to the UK and then force this child to have medical treatment that the parents do not consent to?
The latest news suggests the clinic they want to take him to is ready and prepared to go ahead if appropriate.
The latest news suggests the clinic they want to take him to is ready and prepared to go ahead if appropriate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29009883 said:
The Proton Therapy Centre (PTC) in Prague, Czech Republic, which received a request from Brett King on 20 August, said it can treat Ashya immediately if he is eligible.
Iva Tatounova, director of strategy at PTC Czech, said: "The centre is keen on starting the treatment in a few days. The costs would be dealt with later on."
Iva Tatounova, director of strategy at PTC Czech, said: "The centre is keen on starting the treatment in a few days. The costs would be dealt with later on."
0000 said:
NoNeed said:
So most people are angry as I am. Question now is what can we realistically do about it as government wheels turn very slowly and the sooner these parents get back to the child the better.
I'm thinking a facebook campaign
actually I'm think riot but can't make that sound appealing.
There's a petition here but I don't think anyone's under any illusions as to the effectiveness of those though, sadly.I'm thinking a facebook campaign
actually I'm think riot but can't make that sound appealing.
https://www.change.org/p/police-reunite-ashya-with...
I agree with many of the above points.
I can't believe the wealthy/powerful people who couldn't back the McCanns quickly enough are conspicuous by their absence.
Just watched the Hampshire PCC on TV trying to justify the Police action.
For a politician I think he has completely misread the public reaction to this.
0000 said:
NoNeed said:
So most people are angry as I am. Question now is what can we realistically do about it as government wheels turn very slowly and the sooner these parents get back to the child the better.
I'm thinking a facebook campaign
actually I'm think riot but can't make that sound appealing.
There's a petition here but I don't think anyone's under any illusions as to the effectiveness of those though, sadly.I'm thinking a facebook campaign
actually I'm think riot but can't make that sound appealing.
I hope others do too.
VolvoT5 said:
The latest news suggests the clinic they want to take him to is ready and prepared to go ahead if appropriate.
That's a different clinic, the Kings are in Spain. And they don't yet know if he is suitable.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29009883 said:
The Proton Therapy Centre (PTC) in Prague, Czech Republic, which received a request from Brett King on 20 August, said it can treat Ashya immediately if he is eligible.
Iva Tatounova, director of strategy at PTC Czech, said: "The centre is keen on starting the treatment in a few days. The costs would be dealt with later on."
Iva Tatounova, director of strategy at PTC Czech, said: "The centre is keen on starting the treatment in a few days. The costs would be dealt with later on."
A hospital consultant was on the radio this morning talking about this case.
PTC is a recognised treatment but for only a small percentage of Brain tumours.
The Kids case would have been reviewed and deemed suitable or unsuitable
The case is then passed to a review committee to review the decision.
The decision is made on purely clinical evidence, cost does not come into it.
Aysha (?). Was deemed unsuitable for PTC after going through the above procedure.
PTC is a recognised treatment but for only a small percentage of Brain tumours.
The Kids case would have been reviewed and deemed suitable or unsuitable
The case is then passed to a review committee to review the decision.
The decision is made on purely clinical evidence, cost does not come into it.
Aysha (?). Was deemed unsuitable for PTC after going through the above procedure.
JensenA said:
The decision is made on purely clinical evidence, cost does not come into it.
Really? That flies in the face of the evidence on other NHS matters. What is NICE for if its not about cost benefit analysis of possible treatments? We know that there are expensive cancer drugs that the NHS will not prescribe due to NICE analysis. In fact its fatuous to claim cost is not an issue. s2art said:
JensenA said:
The decision is made on purely clinical evidence, cost does not come into it.
Really? That flies in the face of the evidence on other NHS matters. What is NICE for if its not about cost benefit analysis of possible treatments? We know that there are expensive cancer drugs that the NHS will not prescribe due to NICE analysis. In fact its fatuous to claim cost is not an issue. I'm sure cost is a factor in a lot of cases, but why shouldn't it be?
Perhaps if cost was not a factor, the they might have said "PTC is only successful in a small percentage of people with cancer type X, and he's got Cancer type Y, I know it costs costs £100,000, but sod it, let's give it a go anyway"
Russ T Bolt said:
I signed this one for what it's worth
https://www.change.org/p/police-reunite-ashya-with...
I agree with many of the above points.
I can't believe the wealthy/powerful people who couldn't back the McCanns quickly enough are conspicuous by their absence.
Just watched the Hampshire PCC on TV trying to justify the Police action.
For a politician I think he has completely misread the public reaction to this.
The change.org one above is the one most likely to be taken notice of, as they will be personally handing it in.https://www.change.org/p/police-reunite-ashya-with...
I agree with many of the above points.
I can't believe the wealthy/powerful people who couldn't back the McCanns quickly enough are conspicuous by their absence.
Just watched the Hampshire PCC on TV trying to justify the Police action.
For a politician I think he has completely misread the public reaction to this.
It looks to have really taken off, in the past 5 minutes its increased by 200 signatures, now over 50k and counting.
JensenA said:
The decision is made on purely clinical evidence, cost does not come into it.
Same decision was reached on a number of cases which I posted and the decision was later proven to be wrong. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29002221
The woman (Tracy Laycock) in the video on this BBC page called it a lottery. Her 7 year old was provisionally put on the proton beam approved list and was told if a younger patient who needed it MORE was found, her son would be taken of the list. Luckily that didnt happen and her son got the required proton beam treatment.
It is all about COSTS.
Money over LIVES.
Edited by Eclassy on Monday 1st September 22:04
Eclassy said:
JensenA said:
The decision is made on purely clinical evidence, cost does not come into it.
Same decision was reached on a number of cases which I posted and the decision was later proven to be wrong. The woman (Tracy Laycock) in the video on this BBC page called it a lottery. Her 7 year old was provisionally put on the proton beam approved list and was told if a younger patient who needed it MORE was found, her son would be taken of the list. Luckily that didnt happen and her son got the required proton beam treatment.
It is all about COSTS.
Money over LIVES.
But anyway, if you feel,so strongly, put your money where your mouth and indignation is, and donate every single spare penny you have to the fund to help save this Kid.
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