5 Year Old Cancer Patient Abducted By Parents From Hospital!

[audidoody]

So - the CPS finds itself in the position of now deciding criminal prosecutions based on public opinion and political backlash instead of criminal evidence.

There should be resignations top downwards at the incompetence of the CPS lawyers who instigated this cluster-phuque

But there won't be


"Lessons have been learned".

[bitchstewie]

audidoody said:

So - the CPS finds itself in the position of now deciding criminal prosecutions based on public opinion and political backlash instead of criminal evidence.

Or of course there was never the possibility of an offence having been committed? Just saying...

[audidoody]

Exactly. CPS should never have got within a million miles of this "abduction".

[TheSnitch]

technogogo said:

The news report that the southampton medical team have previously referred suitable cases for PBT. So presumably they have already determined this case would not receive any benefit?

As, according to the centre offering the treatment, the Southampton team had not responded to them or sent details of the patient I should think this is unlikely. I am not just basing that on the word of the child's father; the centre confirmed it.

[VolvoT5]

Well now even the police are admitting this has been a screw up. And it sounds like they are going to backtrack on the arrest warrant now...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29036154 said:

Hampshire's chief constable says Ashya King's situation "is not right" and he should be reunited with his parents.
Prosecutors have gone to the High Court to seek to withdraw the arrest warrant that enabled Spanish police to hold Brett and Naghemeh King in custody.

The plan to withdraw the arrest warrant was made by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) at the start of a hearing brought by Portsmouth City Council asking for a judge to make Ashya a ward of court.

[dickymint]

TheSnitch said:

mph1977 said:

Eclassy said:

<snip>I guess to 'legally' remove her son from an NHS hospital before his brain was fried with basic radiotheraphy.

<snip>

what a suprprise we'vbe got eclassy joining unREALIST in their blind advocatign of things they really don;t understand

as i have said previously there is a lot of quackery and woo out there about proven treatment , lots of scare stories and use of threatening and ominous language, combined with mis understanding of statistics an basic science

unfortuantely there are alot of 'anti proven clinical therapy' people out there spouting their woo based on misunderstandings of basic science.

the Hospital are stating the King family refused a Second Opinion - NHS second Opinions are free and you cvan ask for any relevant NHS clinician to provide the second Opinion (although obviously they have to agree to do so . )

When i worked ina tertiary unit if someone requested a second opinion they were offered the choice of a consultant from one of the two closest equivalent services if thery didn;t want the Other consultant in our service to provide the Second Opinion ... in certain situations consultants from other specialities may be suggested as valid second sources of a second Opinion ... but after the flounce and the apparanent total disengagement of the Kings' with eh Hospital - which will have heightened the risks in the view of lay and legal managment within the trust

You are a perfect example of what is wrong with the NHS.

Yep - backtracking and editing to save face - as are the police and media!

[anonymous-user]

mph1977 said:

what a suprprise we'vbe got eclassy joining unREALIST in their blind advocatign of things they really don;t understand

as i have said previously there is a lot of quackery and woo out there about proven treatment , lots of scare stories and use of threatening and ominous language, combined with mis understanding of statistics an basic science

unfortuantely there are alot of 'anti proven clinical therapy' people out there spouting their woo based on misunderstandings of basic science.

the Hospital are stating the King family refused a Second Opinion - NHS second Opinions are free and you cvan ask for any relevant NHS clinician to provide the second Opinion (although obviously they have to agree to do so . )

When i worked ina tertiary unit if someone requested a second opinion they were offered the choice of a consultant from one of the two closest equivalent services if thery didn;t want the Other consultant in our service to provide the Second Opinion ... in certain situations consultants from other specialities may be suggested as valid second sources of a second Opinion ... but after the flounce and the apparanent total disengagement of the Kings' with eh Hospital - which will have heightened the risks in the view of lay and legal managment within the trust

I not sure what worries me most about this. Your blinkered attitude or the fact that we evidently have people working in the NHS who are barely literate.

Is English your second language or something? What the hell is that last paragraph supposed to convey?

[hairykrishna]

TheSnitch said:

technogogo said:

The news report that the southampton medical team have previously referred suitable cases for PBT. So presumably they have already determined this case would not receive any benefit?

As, according to the centre offering the treatment, the Southampton team had not responded to them or sent details of the patient I should think this is unlikely. I am not just basing that on the word of the child's father; the centre confirmed it.

That's not what I've heard. Where did you read that? His neurosurgeon spoke to them yesterday I think. They won't have images etc yet.

[dickymint]

How many people realise that there is no legal right to a "second opinion"? I've not thought this through fully but might this have some bearing? And yes I do understand that a second opinion was (apparently) offered.

[TheSnitch]

hairykrishna said:

TheSnitch said:

technogogo said:

The news report that the southampton medical team have previously referred suitable cases for PBT. So presumably they have already determined this case would not receive any benefit?

As, according to the centre offering the treatment, the Southampton team had not responded to them or sent details of the patient I should think this is unlikely. I am not just basing that on the word of the child's father; the centre confirmed it.

That's not what I've heard. Where did you read that? His neurosurgeon spoke to them yesterday I think. They won't have images etc yet.

One of the news channels carried an on camera interview with the lead physician from the unit in Prague; I think that was probably on Sunday. I will see if I can find a youtube clip of it, as I can't recall which channel I was watching at the time.

[technogogo]

hairykrishna said:

TheSnitch said:

technogogo said:

The news report that the southampton medical team have previously referred suitable cases for PBT. So presumably they have already determined this case would not receive any benefit?

As, according to the centre offering the treatment, the Southampton team had not responded to them or sent details of the patient I should think this is unlikely. I am not just basing that on the word of the child's father; the centre confirmed it.

That's not what I've heard. Where did you read that? His neurosurgeon spoke to them yesterday I think. They won't have images etc yet.

Maybe they need specific consent from the parents? Who are difficult to reach at the moment. They also have to rule out the request coming from a phoney news of the world journo!

Glad to see common sense prevailing regarding the cps reacting to changes on the ground.

[gruffalo]

TheSnitch said:

mph1977 said:

Eclassy said:

<snip>I guess to 'legally' remove her son from an NHS hospital before his brain was fried with basic radiotheraphy.

<snip>

what a suprprise we'vbe got eclassy joining unREALIST in their blind advocatign of things they really don;t understand

as i have said previously there is a lot of quackery and woo out there about proven treatment , lots of scare stories and use of threatening and ominous language, combined with mis understanding of statistics an basic science

unfortuantely there are alot of 'anti proven clinical therapy' people out there spouting their woo based on misunderstandings of basic science.

the Hospital are stating the King family refused a Second Opinion - NHS second Opinions are free and you cvan ask for any relevant NHS clinician to provide the second Opinion (although obviously they have to agree to do so . )

When i worked ina tertiary unit if someone requested a second opinion they were offered the choice of a consultant from one of the two closest equivalent services if thery didn;t want the Other consultant in our service to provide the Second Opinion ... in certain situations consultants from other specialities may be suggested as valid second sources of a second Opinion ... but after the flounce and the apparanent total disengagement of the Kings' with eh Hospital - which will have heightened the risks in the view of lay and legal managment within the trust

You are a perfect example of what is wrong with the NHS.

It just seems like the hospital messed up their communication with the parents leading to a lack of trust being built up on both sides, the hospital threatening the hospital and the parents reacting in a very predictable way.

If you had a complete distrust for the system that was treating you would you accept a second opinion given by a representative of that self same system?

[VolvoT5]

So no further action to be taken by the CPS now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29036154

Makes you wonder why they went in so heavy handed in the first place. Total overkill

[carinaman]

I've made the point to Red 4 in SP&L that not everyone responds to threats. Hopefully the staff at the hospital weren't as threatening as I have known a few police officers to be.

It makes me wonder how much of it, including Portsmouth Social Services sticking their head over the media parapet to then back pedal the following day was from the Cartman School of Policing and respecting their authority. The hospital may not have known what the parents were going to do so why paint the worst possible scenario other than to try to cover themselves and smear the parents?

Was it hyped by the news? Was the coverage proportionate? A benefit of the news coverage of the actions of the authorities was beneficial as it shows how out of control and heavy handed they can be?

Ah yeah, good use of fast track legislation bought in to address the terrorist threat to bang up the parents!

That's an EU thing, like banning newsprint for wrapping fish and chips is.

Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 2nd September 18:35

[technogogo]

VolvoT5 said:

So no further action to be taken by the CPS now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29036154

Makes you wonder why they went in so heavy handed in the first place. Total overkill

Isn't that just hindsight? At the time it likely appeared to be an urgent situation to the cops and docs. Inability to know how prepared parents were. And though it appears no harm done, a certain amount of luck may have been involved in terms of lack of infection control etc?.... Hotel rooms are not as clean as hospitals. Actually forget that last bit!

[dickymint]

technogogo said:

.... Hotel rooms are not as clean as hospitals.....

[McWigglebum4th]

BlackLabel said:

A silver lining in all of this is that if the boy is suitable for proton beam therapy then the family will be able to take him to any clinic in the world - they wont be restricted by cost because I imagine that donations are going to be flying in given the publicity this case has received.

Someone has already coughed up for the cost

A cynic would say the parents have played an absolute fking blinder here


the state look like heavy handed fkwits and the kid gets the treatment the parents want

[loafer123]

My guess is they haven't "played" anything, and that the whole experience has been hugely distressing for the whole family.

If it concludes with a happy ending, that is small comfort.

[wc98]

Murph7355 said:

0000 said:

BIANCO said:

Money doesn’t grow on trees, ok give lets give 1000 patients £1 million treatments even if it may not save their life. And when you, me or your children turn up with a leg hanging off and all they do is put a plaster on because that’s all they can afford, sounds good.

Sure. They're not being very honest about it though, or it seems supporting parents willing to pay for treatments.

Honesty about the NHS is very hard to come by as it always gets very emotional (understandable).

It's unsustainable as it is currently operated. It tries to cover too much for too many people. And with the country not having a pot to piss in, something radical needs to be done or we'll have far more than these sorts of treatment to worry about.

In this case, as someone else mentioned the authorities were always dawned if they did, dawned if they didn't. Hopefully the little lad won't suffer.

sick to the back teeth of hearing this utter ste. how do YOU know it is unsustainable ? seems to me there are several brainwashed posters on this forum. some grey faced civil servant utters it is unsustainable often enough and the sheep proclaim it to be so. there are many areas where funding could and should be cut before the nhs is touched. quangos,green energy subsidies (especially the grand a day cameron,s father in law gets),subsidies for the arts,united nations contributions,over seas aid etc ,then get shot of several tiers of nhs pen pushers ,and the so called nhs doctors using nhs equipment and facilities for private work in their own time.
there may well be reasons some of the above is not practical,but there is plenty that can be done to maintain and improve the nhs.
IF it does get privatised against the owners will (owner being the tax payer) when the banks were subsidised to the tune of billions (no matter what ste the government come up with ,the tax payer will lose out in the long run)without consultation of the taxpayer i predict a huge backlash.for me i would have to admit that this country has finally regressed to the point where those in power really have zero regard for the well being of anyone bar themselves ,and if the country supported it,then we have become a nation of self absorbed greed fuelled fools.

glad to see the authorities finally saw sense today and called off the extradition. hopefully the spanish get the finger out and get the parents reunited with their little boy asap.rather than involve lawyers,someone really should receive a swift kick in the balls or nan for what amounted to a disgraceful abuse of power.

[TheSnitch]

dickymint said:

technogogo said:

.... Hotel rooms are not as clean as hospitals.....

In many cases, as soon as a bed becomes free in an NHS hospital, it is almost immediately re-occupied by someone else. If you are lucky, they will get clean bedding and a swipe over the mattress with a bit of sanitiser.

Give me an hotel bed any day. Generally speaking someone hasn't shat in it, pissed in it, vomited on it, leaked bodily fluids all over it, or died in it.

Unless it's in Blackpool, obviously.