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Breadvan72 said:
Avoiding blame, rather than doing the right thing, is a major determinant of action in many public and in some private sector organisations. To some extent it has ever been thus (probably), but this culture seems to have become more pervasive over time.
I don't find that surprising at all. Martin4x4 said:
Breadvan72 said:
Never mind the parents' feelings and opinions, what about their liberty?
What about their responsibility? There I was thinking the child's welfare is paramount.Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 2nd September 18:47
Breadvan72 said:
Ah, yes, Trinity College, Wigan. Seat of the Muses.
You said you needed a solicitor to help the family out. Why not get this bloke on board and unite in the name of justice. He could help you out in court as well, I've heard he is a snappy dresser and well versed in this area among others. He might even lend you some of his bling so you could look dapper together and dazzle the court.
You may even learn something from such a well qualified and aristocratic man.
Breadvan72 said:
Martin4x4 said:
Breadvan72 said:
Never mind the parents' feelings and opinions, what about their liberty?
What about their responsibility? There I was thinking the child's welfare is paramount.tenpenceshort said:
Being serious for one second, a major problem with this type of clustery f
k, is that some poor child somewhere is going to suffer, because arse covering individuals will avoid taking necessary action in case they are named, shamed and unceremoniously dumped upon as has happened here. To me the cry wolf effect is the most damaging aspect of the whole thing.
If this assumption is correct then one must ask why those in the profession do so.k, is that some poor child somewhere is going to suffer, because arse covering individuals will avoid taking necessary action in case they are named, shamed and unceremoniously dumped upon as has happened here. To me the cry wolf effect is the most damaging aspect of the whole thing.Or rather, don't bother asking. We have the revelation of Rotherham and instead of asking why this sort of abuse happened, the question seemed to be who can we blame. Before any details are known we get demands for one person's resignation. The person who replaced him is now going to know that if, under his watch, something goes wrong then his head will be for the chop regardless of whether he was at fault. Or, as you put it, named, shamed and dumped.
We talk of the police having a blame culture (and that includes me) and the NHS likewise but what is the real problem is that the public service as a whole is blamed by politicians and politically motivated papers and media outlets. The needs of kids are sacrificed on the alter of votes and of increased advertising.
If we followed this MO with, for instance, aircrashes then planes would fall from the skies.
The government states it will support whistleblowers and the first thing that happens is that whistleblowers in the NHS lose their jobs and are unable to obtain employment in their chosen profession.
Then we have public enquiries which blame those who have done nothing wrong. Officers have been honest and have been disbelieved because what was said was inconvenient. Officers not even called to give evidence are blamed more or less personally, ie they can be identified by the way they are described in the report, are condemned despite the fact that they followed the proper procedures and then, when they were unable to continue asked for advice and were told not to bother.
We have that old darling May criticising the rank and file for the actions of senior officers. OK, so she's struggling for her political career and one expects that, but it is others who suffer.
We have no need to ask why people are afraid of coming forward, of raising their concerns (some methods of doing this are illegal for police officers so if they do tell it like it is, they'll lose their job), of trying to do their best.
But you are spot on. The desire to blame, the fear of being sacrificed means that some other poor kid will suffer in the future and those left to continue in post are those who covered their backs and their tracks.
carinaman said:
It'll soon be sorted. A new bit of legislation and Police Officers could confiscate their Passports at the port. Then they'd be stateless as well as in a bit of a state.
You're jesting i know, but i bet something like this will inevitably happen.Every time plot get some new power on the basis of security etc, they almost always use it for something totally unconnected.
Like oap's being arrested under anti terrorist legislation etc..
Basically, history has shown us pc plod can't be trusted.
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