Father kills sons mugger

[Beati Dogu]

And the son got his Iphone back.

An eye for an Iphone, if you like.

[dandarez]

carinaman said:

BlackLabel said:

Losing an eye and several years of your liberty over an iphone is silly. My sympathies lie with the jailed man - perhaps he should have left the house that day with a baseball bat instead of a knife.

The Big Society is going to need a bigger baseball bat.

Interesting thoughts from the judge about the Find My iphone app.

Another way of looking at it may be given the robber's record he should have been in prison and not out robbing people at knifepoint and then there wouldn't have been any need for the Find My iphone app or the knives.

Therein lies the problem.

And although the Judge said he (the dead scum) would have appeared in 'his' high court and received a high court sentence, the judge of course failed to tell us all what that sentence would have been?

Still, in today's Britain, we can easily guess.

[dandarez]

Foppo said:

I would have been looking for him but without a knive.

I have said before our prisons are revolving doors, and these thugs do their robbing raping etc.Over and over again.

Our justice and police system is a farce that is why people take the law in their own hands.

One problem Foppo.
If you'd gone looking for him unarmed you probably wouldn't have been able to add your post to this thread.

[TTwiggy]

dudleybloke said:

Further evidence that the UK needs a 3 strikes law.

And when our (gnerally) unarmed police come to arrest someone for their third strike, how quietly do you think they're going to go?

[glazbagun]

bhstewie said:

Someone steals your phone and you know where it is. Do you:

a) fetch your three sons and grab a knife
b) call the Police

I'd choose "b" (nevermind that I don't have any kids) - from what I'm reading this is hardly a case of self defence, however much of a scrote the man who died might have been the guy who's been jailed went looking for trouble.

Like the police care about your stolen phone.

[dudleybloke]

TTwiggy said:

And when our (gnerally) unarmed police come to arrest someone for their third strike, how quietly do you think they're going to go?

As quietly as other crime facing a long stretch.

[nyxster]

Why didn't he protect his bubble,

[Grandfondo]

Give the man a medal!

[LucreLout]

Rude-boy said:

To a degree I agree but there are a lot of problems with that law where people like the father have found themselves on 3 strikes in one day. In addition people who were once bad boys then years later find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Regardless we do need to find a way to educate people that if you get caught robbing 5 times or more it isn't really a good career for you...

Lets assume at most one of the three strikes goes to a miscarriage of justice. How many people with 2 other convictions for serious crimes can be described as decent folk? I've never met any.

[LucreLout]

TTwiggy said:

And when our (gnerally) unarmed police come to arrest someone for their third strike, how quietly do you think they're going to go?

Very quietly if they ever want to have visitors. Those resisting we can just ship off to somewhere very cold and remote where they can live a subsistence life.

[0000]

The judge said:

All you needed to do was to phone the police and give them the information.

I don't think his motivation was just to get marginally more accurate crime statistics.

[CAPP0]

TinyCappo said:

CAPP0 said:

John145 said:

Error of judgement to bring a knife

Would it be correct to ponder that if he hadn't taken his own knife with him, but had somehow disarmed the mugger of the mugger's knife after being stabbed and used that in self-defence, the custodial outcome would have been different?

Not ideal either way. It would remove the pre meditated side of it, as in he left the house with a knife but to disarm and then attack him with it....I think the prosecution could have then said "You had removed the threat by disarming him. To then use his own knife on the mugger would have been interpreted as taking it one step further."

But if he had been stabbed in the eye, then got the knife and killed the mugger, surely that would support a plea of self-defence? IE, having been stabbed once already you feared for your life and used reasonable (in context, under the circumstances) force to prevent yourself from being killed?

[iwantagta]

LucreLout said:

Very quietly if they ever want to have visitors. Those resisting we can just ship off to somewhere very cold and remote where they can live a subsistence life.

We won't be able to do that if they vote for independence.......

[catso]

LucreLout said:

Those resisting we can just ship off to somewhere very cold and remote where they can live a subsistence life.

Greenock?...

[25NAD90TUL]

Three years, less half plus time off for good behaviour plus an eye?

Well worth it.

It isn't about the iphone.

[jjones]

BlackLabel said:

Losing an eye and several years of your liberty over an iphone is silly

the phone was taken at knife point, the victims life was threatened let's not forget that, it is not an iphone now, it is someone threatening your sons life.

i commend the father, i have fk all faith that the police would have solved a Sudoku. We do not know know how the confrontation went down, all we know is that the father had knowledge that the thief used a knife and so took along one i guess for protection/even the odds.

[Negative Creep]

25NAD90TUL said:

Had he been caught it seems likely given his record that he would have been prosecuted in this court, the High Court, and on conviction would have received a High Court sentence.

Yeah, I bet the punishment would have been less than you'd get for doing 100mph on an empty motorway enough to make him renounce his life of crime through fear of the consequences

[loose cannon]

Axionknight said:

Maybe if policing and law enforcement weren't so ineffectual in the UK this chap wouldn't have felt the need to take matters into his own hands.

Ten prior convictions and still up to his usual tricks, it is frankly shameful that despite many prior run ins with the police this chap was still on the streets and continuously allowed to break the law with little or no recourse.

+ 1000

[V8 Fettler]

Was there a jury involved in the Scottish High Court? If so, the guilty verdict is surprising (on the information available), assuming the father had a reasonable lawyer. Although a jury wouldn't have access to the real criminal's record during the trial.

[Hugo a Gogo]

makes you wonder how Kenneth Noye ever got off with his 'murder' of the policeman undertaking surveillance of his house