Father kills sons mugger
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Nicked phone ... Police not interested... blah blah blah.
A few weeks ago I was mugged and had my phone nicked. No CCTV. No witnesses. Nonetheless based on local knowledge and detective work the muggers were identified and arrested. South east London too, so not as if the Police had nothing else to be doing.
But don't let reality get in the way of criticising the Police and the Courts. The simplistic suggestions for improvements are also fascinating; who'd have thought the solutions to crime were so obvious?
A few weeks ago I was mugged and had my phone nicked. No CCTV. No witnesses. Nonetheless based on local knowledge and detective work the muggers were identified and arrested. South east London too, so not as if the Police had nothing else to be doing.
But don't let reality get in the way of criticising the Police and the Courts. The simplistic suggestions for improvements are also fascinating; who'd have thought the solutions to crime were so obvious?
CAPP0 said:
TinyCappo said:
CAPP0 said:
John145 said:
Error of judgement to bring a knife
Would it be correct to ponder that if he hadn't taken his own knife with him, but had somehow disarmed the mugger of the mugger's knife after being stabbed and used that in self-defence, the custodial outcome would have been different?This mugger who died had previous violent convictions and used a knife to rob people.
Here is a story of somebody else using a knife to rob somebodies phone. I bet these were not first time crooks either.
So no I have no sympathy for this pos who got killed. The man who list his eye should appeal and use this case as mitigation. Going easy in crime creates these fearless low lives who know they will get a slap on the wrist.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2736746/Gu...
Here is a story of somebody else using a knife to rob somebodies phone. I bet these were not first time crooks either.
So no I have no sympathy for this pos who got killed. The man who list his eye should appeal and use this case as mitigation. Going easy in crime creates these fearless low lives who know they will get a slap on the wrist.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2736746/Gu...
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 2nd September 19:20
Axionknight said:
Maybe if policing and law enforcement weren't so ineffectual in the UK this chap wouldn't have felt the need to take matters into his own hands.
Ten prior convictions and still up to his usual tricks, it is frankly shameful that despite many prior run ins with the police this chap was still on the streets and continuously allowed to break the law with little or no recourse.
Hear hear.Ten prior convictions and still up to his usual tricks, it is frankly shameful that despite many prior run ins with the police this chap was still on the streets and continuously allowed to break the law with little or no recourse.
ATG said:
Nicked phone ... Police not interested... blah blah blah.
A few weeks ago I was mugged and had my phone nicked. No CCTV. No witnesses. Nonetheless based on local knowledge and detective work the muggers were identified and arrested. South east London too, so not as if the Police had nothing else to be doing.
But don't let reality get in the way of criticising the Police and the Courts. The simplistic suggestions for improvements are also fascinating; who'd have thought the solutions to crime were so obvious?
I have no doubt that the police would put the effort in - the courts however I have absolutely no confidence in. A few weeks ago I was mugged and had my phone nicked. No CCTV. No witnesses. Nonetheless based on local knowledge and detective work the muggers were identified and arrested. South east London too, so not as if the Police had nothing else to be doing.
But don't let reality get in the way of criticising the Police and the Courts. The simplistic suggestions for improvements are also fascinating; who'd have thought the solutions to crime were so obvious?
V8 Fettler said:
Was there a jury involved in the Scottish High Court? If so, the guilty verdict is surprising (on the information available), assuming the father had a reasonable lawyer. Although a jury wouldn't have access to the real criminal's record during the trial.
Doesn't matter. He pleaded guilty to Culpable Homocide with his sentence discounted from 8 years to 6 years according to sentencing statement.Mens Rea - Criminal Intent
Actus Rea - Criminal Action
The father did both. Because it was not in the heat of the moment, he had time to think about his actions while collecting his sons and a weapon, he's guilty as hell.
What was going to be his resolution if they had encontered a 3rd party who had bought the phone from the mugger, stab or assault them instead?
Actus Rea - Criminal Action
The father did both. Because it was not in the heat of the moment, he had time to think about his actions while collecting his sons and a weapon, he's guilty as hell.
What was going to be his resolution if they had encontered a 3rd party who had bought the phone from the mugger, stab or assault them instead?
VeeDubBigBird said:
What was going to be his resolution if they had encontered a 3rd party who had bought the phone from the mugger, stab or assault them instead?
What if your Grandma had a cock, would she be your Grandad? Ifs, buts and maybes are ridiculous. Let's just stick with the facts.
TheLordJohn said:
VeeDubBigBird said:
What was going to be his resolution if they had encontered a 3rd party who had bought the phone from the mugger, stab or assault them instead?
What if your Grandma had a cock, would she be your Grandad? Ifs, buts and maybes are ridiculous. Let's just stick with the facts.
Rude-boy said:
To a degree I agree but there are a lot of problems with that law where people like the father have found themselves on 3 strikes in one day. In addition people who were once bad boys then years later find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Regardless we do need to find a way to educate people that if you get caught robbing 5 times or more it isn't really a good career for you...
There should be a 'life license' or freedom license'.Regardless we do need to find a way to educate people that if you get caught robbing 5 times or more it isn't really a good career for you...
Similar to driving licenses, with points gained for crimes. Different degree of crime, different points. Decided by a judge. Points expire after so many years, gain too many, you're in the slammer.
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