New Discovery Sport - Who's ordered?

New Discovery Sport - Who's ordered?

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Triple7

4,013 posts

236 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Nope, that's it!

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Agree the first of the new engines will be limited to the 2WD eD4 replacement Only.
FWIW, there is already a more powerful ingenium 2.0D engine that could have replaced the 2.2 SD4 but it's not yet included in the line up, I can only surmise production timings for that engine has not lined up with the release of the DS.
I suspect all comments from LR dealers are 'on message' as anything else about a later release of the latest engine will undermine the currentSD4 offering and the all important residuals seen by the lower end of LR cars such as the Evoque which hoped for the DS too.
I would also guess the more powerful lump will probably see the light of day in the facelifted Evoque first which will probably sit on the extended DS chassis. All of this would I assume to be down to pure marketing strategy by delaying the DS with the more powerful lump for the 4WD varient until the Evoque sees the streets.

I've pondered long and hard about putting £40k of my own money into a DS and as it currently stands I do not like either the UK pricing or this engine strategy by LR on the DS and will sit on the fence for while yet.

jamiebae

6,245 posts

210 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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The low emission 2WD will get the new engine first, but it will certainly replace the 2.2 diesel across the board soon after.

Sevo

297 posts

190 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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My thoughts too. I'm surprised they put it in writing TBH.

jamiebae

6,245 posts

210 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Or to put it another way why would JLR invest all that money in a new engine, and a new factory to build it in, but continue to buy in an older and less efficient engine from Ford?

Doesn't the XE get the more powerful Ingenium engines from launch? They won't be far away now, even Ford is phasing out the 2.2 diesel now.

C Lee Farquar

4,066 posts

215 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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HarryW said:
I suspect all comments from LR dealers are 'on message' as anything else about a later release of the latest engine will undermine the currentSD4 offering and the all important residuals seen by the lower end of LR cars such as the Evoque which hoped for the DS too.
Definitely not all on message. 'Quite an achievement, repackage a Freelander, call it a Disco Sport and put the price up to £50k'

Triple7

4,013 posts

236 months

Saturday 13th December 2014
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C Lee Farquar said:
Definitely not all on message. 'Quite an achievement, repackage a Freelander, call it a Disco Sport and put the price up to £50k'
:yawn:

Triple7

4,013 posts

236 months

Saturday 13th December 2014
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C Lee Farquar said:
Definitely not all on message. 'Quite an achievement, repackage a Freelander, call it a Disco Sport and put the price up to £50k'
:yawn:

Phil.

4,753 posts

249 months

Sunday 14th December 2014
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C Lee Farquar said:
Definitely not all on message. 'Quite an achievement, repackage a Freelander, call it a Disco Sport and put the price up to £50k'
Check out the 1200 mile review of the DS in Autocar this week and you'll begin to understand how good the residuals will be. That's always the real cost of running any car, not the price. The £499 fixed 3 year servicing package helps too. Go buy a £25k Kuga and it'll cost you more than a £40k DS over 3 years smile

grand cherokee

2,432 posts

198 months

Sunday 14th December 2014
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C Lee Farquar said:
Definitely not all on message. 'Quite an achievement, repackage a Freelander, call it a Disco Sport and put the price up to £50k'
totally different cars - please keep up?

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Sunday 14th December 2014
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Phil. said:
C Lee Farquar said:
Definitely not all on message. 'Quite an achievement, repackage a Freelander, call it a Disco Sport and put the price up to £50k'
Check out the 1200 mile review of the DS in Autocar this week and you'll begin to understand how good the residuals will be. That's always the real cost of running any car, not the price. The £499 fixed 3 year servicing package helps too. Go buy a £25k Kuga and it'll cost you more than a £40k DS over 3 years smile
Do not doubt it is a good motor, I ran a FL2 HSE for a while I think that was a good car, all reviews to date put the DS ahead of that and the Evoque. Forgetting the inflated price for a moment, even the Autocar article headline says it might be worth waiting for the new engine. This is the main nub to me, putting your own money in a car that may take a big residual hit as it has the 'old' engine. Hence my original query about dealers being on message for the moment.....

Phil.

4,753 posts

249 months

Sunday 14th December 2014
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HarryW said:
Do not doubt it is a good motor, I ran a FL2 HSE for a while I think that was a good car, all reviews to date put the DS ahead of that and the Evoque. Forgetting the inflated price for a moment, even the Autocar article headline says it might be worth waiting for the new engine. This is the main nub to me, putting your own money in a car that may take a big residual hit as it has the 'old' engine. Hence my original query about dealers being on message for the moment.....
Can't say I agree. The introduction of the 9 speed auto in to the Evoque has not affected the re-sale value of the 7 speed version. When the new engine eventually arrives for the DS it will still be a diesel and I doubt Joe Public will notice the difference. Some are reporting a less powerful new engine and therefore slower DS. LR will probably wack in a price rise at the same time as the new engine thus protecting the residuals of the earlier models as they have with the FFRR over the past 2 years. It's in LR's interest to protect residuals after all.

yellowbentines

5,295 posts

206 months

Sunday 14th December 2014
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grand cherokee said:
totally different cars - please keep up?
Totally different? If I order a DS today what totally different engine will it have? wink

RammyMP

6,729 posts

152 months

Sunday 14th December 2014
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Phil. said:
C Lee Farquar said:
Definitely not all on message. 'Quite an achievement, repackage a Freelander, call it a Disco Sport and put the price up to £50k'
Check out the 1200 mile review of the DS in Autocar this week and you'll begin to understand how good the residuals will be. That's always the real cost of running any car, not the price. The £499 fixed 3 year servicing package helps too. Go buy a £25k Kuga and it'll cost you more than a £40k DS over 3 years smile
The £499 service package is for 5 years on the Evoque, is it not the same for the DS?

C Lee Farquar

4,066 posts

215 months

Sunday 14th December 2014
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grand cherokee said:
C Lee Farquar said:
Definitely not all on message. 'Quite an achievement, repackage a Freelander, call it a Disco Sport and put the price up to £50k'
totally different cars - please keep up?
Not my view, the dealer's. My point was that they aren't all on message, I know nothing of the relative underpinnings.

Phil.

4,753 posts

249 months

Monday 15th December 2014
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RammyMP said:
The £499 service package is for 5 years on the Evoque, is it not the same for the DS?
Correct!

smudger911

Original Poster:

494 posts

257 months

Monday 22nd December 2014
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My wife and I managed alittle under 100 miles in a DS HSE on Saturday courtesy of JLR & our local LR dealer. The distance was a mixture of A & B roads – no off roading or anything close to getting it muddy!

The DS had the 9 speed auto which works well with the existing SD4 engine and surprisingly JLR have managed to remove the annoying half second lag from the FL2 which is present if you intend to pull away quickly.
Engine noise is reduced in the cabin with smooth changes up and down. There is still a certain amount of road noise as with the FL2. Ride over rutted and pot holed B roads is very good – air suspension doing its job very well. Back to the interior – usual gadgets and switch gear that you would expect on an HSE model. The extra 2x seats in the boot area are tiny and imb for those emergency trips but useful all the same.
The overall feel of the DS seems less solid than the existing FL2, and there were several squeaks and rattles coming from the boot area. We were told by the JLR rep these vehicles are 98% Production models and those small issues will be ironed out pre customer deliveries and I have no doubt these will be rectified.
While the DS is ok and a reasonable drive we both came away feeling underwhelmed. In the flesh the DS looks very similar to Kia or Nissan’s soft roaders and has (for us anyway) lost it’s appeal. We don’t doubt they will sell by the boat load, yet after the drive neither of us felt we must must complete our order and take delivery asap… If you are not a badge snob then a Nissan or other manufacturer would do the same job and you could save between £15k ~ £20k in the process – just donning my flame suit after that last sentence 

Sheepshanks

32,519 posts

118 months

Monday 22nd December 2014
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smudger911 said:
In the flesh the DS looks very similar to Kia or Nissan’s soft roaders and has (for us anyway) lost it’s appeal. We don’t doubt they will sell by the boat load, yet after the drive neither of us felt we must must complete our order and take delivery asap… If you are not a badge snob then a Nissan or other manufacturer would do the same job and you could save between £15k ~ £20k in the process – just donning my flame suit after that last sentence ?
The far-eastern manufacturers just don't seem to do good diesel autos though.

unrepentant

21,212 posts

255 months

Monday 22nd December 2014
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smudger911 said:
Ride over rutted and pot holed B roads is very good – air suspension doing its job very well.
Disco Sport doesn't have air suspension.

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Monday 22nd December 2014
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smudger911 said:
My wife and I managed alittle under 100 miles in a DS HSE on Saturday courtesy of JLR & our local LR dealer. The distance was a mixture of A & B roads – no off roading or anything close to getting it muddy!

The DS had the 9 speed auto which works well with the existing SD4 engine and surprisingly JLR have managed to remove the annoying half second lag from the FL2 which is present if you intend to pull away quickly.
Engine noise is reduced in the cabin with smooth changes up and down. There is still a certain amount of road noise as with the FL2. Ride over rutted and pot holed B roads is very good – air suspension doing its job very well. Back to the interior – usual gadgets and switch gear that you would expect on an HSE model. The extra 2x seats in the boot area are tiny and imb for those emergency trips but useful all the same.
The overall feel of the DS seems less solid than the existing FL2, and there were several squeaks and rattles coming from the boot area. We were told by the JLR rep these vehicles are 98% Production models and those small issues will be ironed out pre customer deliveries and I have no doubt these will be rectified.
While the DS is ok and a reasonable drive we both came away feeling underwhelmed. In the flesh the DS looks very similar to Kia or Nissan’s soft roaders and has (for us anyway) lost it’s appeal. We don’t doubt they will sell by the boat load, yet after the drive neither of us felt we must must complete our order and take delivery asap… If you are not a badge snob then a Nissan or other manufacturer would do the same job and you could save between £15k ~ £20k in the process – just donning my flame suit after that last sentence ?
Thanks for the unbiased real world feedback, not driven one myself but sat in one and kicked its tyres. Sad really as I really wanted it to be a step improvement over the FL2 and from what you are saying it isn't and certainly not that of a £40k car. I said at the time it makes the 5 door Evoque look good value....
Quite surprised it's less solid than the FL2. I will still try one when they arrive, ever hopeful, but I suspect I will come to the same conclusion. What are the options in the medium SUV market?
I'm now waiting on the Merc GLC which is out next summer, I expect the quality of that and Mercedes willingness to deal may sway me. I Actually quite like the Outlander, it's very good value compared to the DS, just that is now being replaced end of next year. Q5? Wouldn't give Audi a penny of my money personally. X3? maybe, but 12 month wait for them now.
Kia? Sorento, the ZdS actually looks like it a lot IMHO! There's a lot to commend it, but it's not for me. Evoque? Too small inside with low roof line, shame they didn't put a Evoque-esk quality interior in the DS....