performance brake pads, worth iy?
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Don't use ebc, they are utter rubbish and standard Mintex/Ferodo/Pagid are better in every way & significantly cheaper.
What do you want 'upgraded' pads for?
If is just for road use, you won't get much better than Pagid Blue, Ferodo DS 2500, or Mintex 1144.
If is for track use only go for Pagid RS29 or 14, Ferodo DS3000, or Mintex 1166.
If the car is lighter the Mintex work well, if it is heavy the Pagid work well, in between the Ferodo work well.
What do you want 'upgraded' pads for?
If is just for road use, you won't get much better than Pagid Blue, Ferodo DS 2500, or Mintex 1144.
If is for track use only go for Pagid RS29 or 14, Ferodo DS3000, or Mintex 1166.
If the car is lighter the Mintex work well, if it is heavy the Pagid work well, in between the Ferodo work well.
My own experience is EBC pads NEVER lasted a full track day and were worse for bite & disc wear than ANY standard pads.
DS/Mintex pads at least lasted a full day and felt a lot better with better disc wear.
Pagid RS or Ferodo DS UNO (forgot them in my original post) pads will last a full year of track days (6 to 8) complete with no disc changes and bite much better to boot.
DS/Mintex pads at least lasted a full day and felt a lot better with better disc wear.
Pagid RS or Ferodo DS UNO (forgot them in my original post) pads will last a full year of track days (6 to 8) complete with no disc changes and bite much better to boot.
Had ebc green stuff pads on the front of my car. Even done 2 track days at Brands Hatch with them in without any ill effects whatsoever.
There wad a brief spell that they would squeal in use on the road, but that sorted itself out by removing the paint that ebc coat the whole pad with
Only got rid of them after 10years on the car when I upgraded all the brakes and went to 1144.
Which arent used on the road as they squeal like a motherf
ker!
There wad a brief spell that they would squeal in use on the road, but that sorted itself out by removing the paint that ebc coat the whole pad with
Only got rid of them after 10years on the car when I upgraded all the brakes and went to 1144.
Which arent used on the road as they squeal like a motherf
ker!andyiley said:
My own experience is EBC pads NEVER lasted a full track day and were worse for bite & disc wear than ANY standard pads.
DS/Mintex pads at least lasted a full day and felt a lot better with better disc wear.
Pagid RS or Ferodo DS UNO (forgot them in my original post) pads will last a full year of track days (6 to 8) complete with no disc changes and bite much better to boot.
This.DS/Mintex pads at least lasted a full day and felt a lot better with better disc wear.
Pagid RS or Ferodo DS UNO (forgot them in my original post) pads will last a full year of track days (6 to 8) complete with no disc changes and bite much better to boot.
EBC are for mickey mouse drivers - you think you're pushing hard but in reality, you've not trying.
Pagid are great pads, huge development effort goes into them and they just work, they do the job. Well worth the additional money.
Are you guys suggesting Pagid are expensive and of good quality?? Perhaps they do an uprated version but the Pagid stuff they very cheap in Eurocarparts is very mediocre. Cheap for a reason in my experience. I guess they must do a more expensive track focussed pad you guys are talking about?
rb5er said:
Are you guys suggesting Pagid are expensive and of good quality?? Perhaps they do an uprated version but the Pagid stuff they very cheap in Eurocarparts is very mediocre. Cheap for a reason in my experience. I guess they must do a more expensive track focussed pad you guys are talking about?
The pads they sell in Eurocarparts are simply cheap OEM specification pads, so if you were expecting some awesome track capable pads for £20 then you are sorely mistaken. Just like all the other major brake manufacturers, Pagid produce OEM type pads and high performance competition pads. If you want the high performance pads, then you have to be prepared to pay good money for them. The Pagid RS4-2 pads are roughly equivalent to Ferodo DS2500 and cost around the same - you are looking at £110+ for a set of pads for most common fitments. The high end pads like the RS15 will cost you at least double that.lets forget the brands for a minute. And discuss brake pad tech.
Every brake pad performs best at a certain temperature, and not all pads that work in the same heat range are created equal. A pad designed for track use only usually won't perform very well on the street (It will make noise, in some cases it will have less braking power than a street pad, and could even damage your rotors with extended use outside of it's heat range. If you plan on having a dual purpose car, it isn't that uncommon to switch brakes before a track day, and there are pads designed with dual purpose in mind.
My suggestion: If you plan on just doing spirited driving, I would stick with stock pads.
Every brake pad performs best at a certain temperature, and not all pads that work in the same heat range are created equal. A pad designed for track use only usually won't perform very well on the street (It will make noise, in some cases it will have less braking power than a street pad, and could even damage your rotors with extended use outside of it's heat range. If you plan on having a dual purpose car, it isn't that uncommon to switch brakes before a track day, and there are pads designed with dual purpose in mind.
My suggestion: If you plan on just doing spirited driving, I would stick with stock pads.
Mr2Mike said:
The pads they sell in Eurocarparts are simply cheap OEM specification pads, so if you were expecting some awesome track capable pads for £20 then you are sorely mistaken.
Funnily enough I didnt expect track capable pads from those cheapy pagids ar ECP, hence why I never suggested I did? Perhaps you read something that wasn`t there? Mr2Mike said:
rb5er said:
Are you guys suggesting Pagid are expensive and of good quality?? Perhaps they do an uprated version but the Pagid stuff they very cheap in Eurocarparts is very mediocre. Cheap for a reason in my experience. I guess they must do a more expensive track focussed pad you guys are talking about?
The pads they sell in Eurocarparts are simply cheap OEM specification pads, so if you were expecting some awesome track capable pads for £20 then you are sorely mistaken. Just like all the other major brake manufacturers, Pagid produce OEM type pads and high performance competition pads. If you want the high performance pads, then you have to be prepared to pay good money for them. The Pagid RS4-2 pads are roughly equivalent to Ferodo DS2500 and cost around the same - you are looking at £110+ for a set of pads for most common fitments. The high end pads like the RS15 will cost you at least double that.OEM quality pads are pretty much the same as each other.
As I originally said we need to know what they are to do to help as best we can with our experiences.
lickatysplit said:
cheers all for your replies.
its mostly for road use with the odd track day but I will stick stock pads in for now and maybe get some performance pads to swap over on track days.
Thanks for the update, as above DS 2500/Mintex 1144/Pagid blue are pretty good for this.its mostly for road use with the odd track day but I will stick stock pads in for now and maybe get some performance pads to swap over on track days.
Better still if yours are easy to swap get some track focussed pads to swap out when you get there & again before heading home.
As a comparison for my fronts Mintex 1144 £115, paid RS29 £250 but the RS29s mean I spend 6 hours less under the car in a year & £250 less on discs..... No brainer for me.
Mr2Mike said:
rb5er said:
Are you guys suggesting Pagid are expensive and of good quality?? Perhaps they do an uprated version but the Pagid stuff they very cheap in Eurocarparts is very mediocre. Cheap for a reason in my experience. I guess they must do a more expensive track focussed pad you guys are talking about?
The pads they sell in Eurocarparts are simply cheap OEM specification pads, so if you were expecting some awesome track capable pads for £20 then you are sorely mistaken. Just like all the other major brake manufacturers, Pagid produce OEM type pads and high performance competition pads. If you want the high performance pads, then you have to be prepared to pay good money for them. The Pagid RS4-2 pads are roughly equivalent to Ferodo DS2500 and cost around the same - you are looking at £110+ for a set of pads for most common fitments. The high end pads like the RS15 will cost you at least double that.Its a while ago now but I fitted Mintex 1144 to an XR2 and whilst the initial braking required more pedal effort the retardation was noticeably better, fade on repeated hard stops was gone.
The net effect was being able to go 50 - 100 feet deeper to a corner before pressing hard
Lighter cars do benefit more
The net effect was being able to go 50 - 100 feet deeper to a corner before pressing hard
Lighter cars do benefit more
dblack1 said:
lets forget the brands for a minute. And discuss brake pad tech.
Every brake pad performs best at a certain temperature, and not all pads that work in the same heat range are created equal. A pad designed for track use only usually won't perform very well on the street (It will make noise, in some cases it will have less braking power than a street pad, and could even damage your rotors with extended use outside of it's heat range. If you plan on having a dual purpose car, it isn't that uncommon to switch brakes before a track day, and there are pads designed with dual purpose in mind.
My suggestion: If you plan on just doing spirited driving, I would stick with stock pads.
Original pads are designed for Mr/Mrs/Ms average that drives a Motorised ArmchairEvery brake pad performs best at a certain temperature, and not all pads that work in the same heat range are created equal. A pad designed for track use only usually won't perform very well on the street (It will make noise, in some cases it will have less braking power than a street pad, and could even damage your rotors with extended use outside of it's heat range. If you plan on having a dual purpose car, it isn't that uncommon to switch brakes before a track day, and there are pads designed with dual purpose in mind.
My suggestion: If you plan on just doing spirited driving, I would stick with stock pads.
I take it, us on PistonHeads tend to drive with a bit more Verv and leave the breaking to the last
So I still say for us on PH then pads like the DS2500 ARE the one to fit
dblack1 said:
lets forget the brands for a minute. And discuss brake pad tech.
Every brake pad performs best at a certain temperature, and not all pads that work in the same heat range are created equal. A pad designed for track use only usually won't perform very well on the street (It will make noise, in some cases it will have less braking power than a street pad, and could even damage your rotors with extended use outside of it's heat range. If you plan on having a dual purpose car, it isn't that uncommon to switch brakes before a track day, and there are pads designed with dual purpose in mind.
My suggestion: If you plan on just doing spirited driving, I would stick with stock pads.
My suggestion: Ignore the above since there are a wide range of performance brake material that work perfectly well from cold, but will provide very significant improvements over the OEM pads. Every brake pad performs best at a certain temperature, and not all pads that work in the same heat range are created equal. A pad designed for track use only usually won't perform very well on the street (It will make noise, in some cases it will have less braking power than a street pad, and could even damage your rotors with extended use outside of it's heat range. If you plan on having a dual purpose car, it isn't that uncommon to switch brakes before a track day, and there are pads designed with dual purpose in mind.
My suggestion: If you plan on just doing spirited driving, I would stick with stock pads.
If you find the standard pads limiting (and despite the protestations of some PH members the limits are pretty easy to find on some cars) then a set DS2500 or the above mentioned Pagids will give a night and day difference. The downsides tend to be shorter pad life and more dust, but they work very well from cold.
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