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davidd said:
I'm watching them on sky at the mo.. that Bellamy chap is handy (if up himself).
I always thought they were good, but watching him run about whilst playing note perfect and singing... its like Prince meets metal..
I keep hearing people say he's a good guitarist but never heard anything that's proved that, any tracks where he 'shreds it up' to use the vernacular...I always thought they were good, but watching him run about whilst playing note perfect and singing... its like Prince meets metal..
Fantuzzi said:
I keep hearing people say he's a good guitarist but never heard anything that's proved that, any tracks where he 'shreds it up' to use the vernacular...
He's definitely not a shredder that's for sure but most folk can't tell the difference I suppose. Great band though and very good live as already mentioned.davidd said:
shredding shmedding 
It not that I think being a 'good' guitarists is just about lead technique, and this coming from a gratuitous shred monkey, more that I've heard him described as a gnarly neo classical player by some, but never heard him do any lead stuff of that style in his songs, so thought perhaps I'm missing some of his best work.My brother loved them live, and whilst they're not really up my street I've heard bits through his wall that sounded better than the hits I've heard.
Fantuzzi said:
It not that I think being a 'good' guitarists is just about lead technique, and this coming from a gratuitous shred monkey, more that I've heard him described as a gnarly neo classical player by some, but never heard him do any lead stuff of that style in his songs, so thought perhaps I'm missing some of his best work.
My brother loved them live, and whilst they're not really up my street I've heard bits through his wall that sounded better than the hits I've heard.
That's fair. There is an element of pomp to them that I don't like but I can't help but admire.My brother loved them live, and whilst they're not really up my street I've heard bits through his wall that sounded better than the hits I've heard.
Check this out - Invincible, with some amazing two handed stuff which he does live in ever more extravagant versions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5V8We3hgg
I play guitar to a reasonable standard and I have no idea how he is doing this stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5V8We3hgg
I play guitar to a reasonable standard and I have no idea how he is doing this stuff
Billsnemesis said:
Check this out - Invincible, with some amazing two handed stuff which he does live in ever more extravagant versions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5V8We3hgg
I play guitar to a reasonable standard and I have no idea how he is doing this stuff
I think your ears are being bamboozled by the crazy whammy pedal effect! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5V8We3hgg
I play guitar to a reasonable standard and I have no idea how he is doing this stuff
The high notes are tapped then he is hammering/pulling off then ascending that pattern.
Something like 12(t)......4(7)(4)(7)(4)(7)(4).....14(t).......4(7)(4)(7)......15(t).......4(7)(4)(7)......17(t)
The whammy pedal gives it that rather awesome synthy tone. Its the same effects pedal used in the Rage against the Machine song Killing in the name of solo.
Justin Cyder said:
An ounce of soul is worth a ton of technique. Fantuzzi said:
I keep hearing people say he's a good guitarist but never heard anything that's proved that, any tracks where he 'shreds it up' to use the vernacular...
hard to walk into a guitar store without a muse riff being played,and he was voted the top guitar hero of the last 20 years or something by total guitar readers ,so he is hugely influential.Depends on how ones classifies a great guitarist I suppose.And yet I would argue day & night that Graham Coxon who possesses half of Matt Bellamys technique is twice as inventive & has left a much richer legacy than anything Muse ever committed to record.
These things are subjective as ever, in my experience any riff being played by spotty yoofs in music shops is to be avoided at all costs, particularly if it involves anything by the premier purveyors of paranoid pomp rock.
These things are subjective as ever, in my experience any riff being played by spotty yoofs in music shops is to be avoided at all costs, particularly if it involves anything by the premier purveyors of paranoid pomp rock.
Justin Cyder said:
And yet I would argue day & night that Graham Coxon who possesses half of Matt Bellamys technique is twice as inventive & has left a much richer legacy than anything Muse ever committed to record.
These things are subjective as ever, in my experience any riff being played by spotty yoofs in music shops is to be avoided at all costs, particularly if it involves anything by the premier purveyors of paranoid pomp rock.
depends on how you define influence,and whether you are judging on a personal level or a global level.To me influence is inspiring people to pick up an instrument ,or creating something new that everyone copies ,not sure coxon as impressive a guitarist as he is falls into either category.These things are subjective as ever, in my experience any riff being played by spotty yoofs in music shops is to be avoided at all costs, particularly if it involves anything by the premier purveyors of paranoid pomp rock.
The act of writing a song is creating something new. If however, the argument is creating new techniques that 'everyone' copies, then Matt Bellamy fails to make the category either. And I very much doubt Muse will hold out any great cultural legacy in twenty years time, whereas Blur of course, have already managed that through a combination of lyrical dexterity, angular memorable riffs and a highly developed sense of Englishness. USP's aplenty.
Muse, though to be fair do a nice line in revolutionary rhetoric. Uprising for example, is so paranoid, it ends up with a certain left wing sixth form charm, but doesn't live long in the memory, sadly.
Muse, though to be fair do a nice line in revolutionary rhetoric. Uprising for example, is so paranoid, it ends up with a certain left wing sixth form charm, but doesn't live long in the memory, sadly.
Crafty_ said:
Really?
Muse may or may not take their place in history, but Blur ? Country House ? Boys & Girls ? Parklife ?
Just another pop band imho.
Fair enough, the game is about opinions, even if you purposely pick the worst songs. I would have picked End of a century, this is a low, chemical world, the universal.Muse may or may not take their place in history, but Blur ? Country House ? Boys & Girls ? Parklife ?
Just another pop band imho.
I have played in every toilet
But you still want to spoil it
To prove I’ve made a big mistake
Too long trying to resist it
You’ve just gone and missed it
It's escaped your world
Hmmm, toilet. Profound.
Justin Cyder said:
The act of writing a song is creating something new. If however, the argument is creating new techniques that 'everyone' copies, then Matt Bellamy fails to make the category either. And I very much doubt Muse will hold out any great cultural legacy in twenty years time, whereas Blur of course, have already managed that through a combination of lyrical dexterity, angular memorable riffs and a highly developed sense of Englishness. USP's aplenty.
Muse, though to be fair do a nice line in revolutionary rhetoric. Uprising for example, is so paranoid, it ends up with a certain left wing sixth form charm, but doesn't live long in the memory, sadly.
you misunderstand me,you are talking about your personal taste,the point I make is that is irrelevant.For example the beatles wouldnt make a list of my top 25 bands for example,but I would acknowledge that they are miles ahead of pretty much everyone in terms of influence.Muse, though to be fair do a nice line in revolutionary rhetoric. Uprising for example, is so paranoid, it ends up with a certain left wing sixth form charm, but doesn't live long in the memory, sadly.
the fact that you dont like/appreciate someones music doesnt stop it being influential or successful.
As another example coxon>gallagher as a guitarist,but in terms of influence gallagher > coxon ,he inspired thousands to take up the guitar ,I'm not sure I've ever heard/read anyone mention coxon as an influence on them tbh...aside from you
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