OK, what do I have to do - roundabouts
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Not quite sure where I am going wrong ...
In nutshell, because I treat mini roundabouts correctly, it's brining me in conflict with other traffic ...
1. Turned right, going around, not over, roundabout, car behind overtook - I just managed to miss him as I have to admit, I really wasn't expecting that (yes I know, lesson learnt ...)
2. Again turning right, car on left had stopped, but in hindsight expected me to go straight over the markings, meaning as I went round and thus slightly towards him, he had started to move off - it wasn't that close but closer than I would have liked as you have to keep looking right on this junction as cars come round a slightly blind bend quicker than you can get clear, so having established he had stopped and had seen me, was kinda of expecting him to stay there ... got a bit of a shock when I looked back ...
In both instances I got a lot of abuse and hand signals thrown in my direction.
All I was doing was obeying the rules of the road ... any suggestions would be appreciated ...
In nutshell, because I treat mini roundabouts correctly, it's brining me in conflict with other traffic ...
1. Turned right, going around, not over, roundabout, car behind overtook - I just managed to miss him as I have to admit, I really wasn't expecting that (yes I know, lesson learnt ...)
2. Again turning right, car on left had stopped, but in hindsight expected me to go straight over the markings, meaning as I went round and thus slightly towards him, he had started to move off - it wasn't that close but closer than I would have liked as you have to keep looking right on this junction as cars come round a slightly blind bend quicker than you can get clear, so having established he had stopped and had seen me, was kinda of expecting him to stay there ... got a bit of a shock when I looked back ...
In both instances I got a lot of abuse and hand signals thrown in my direction.
All I was doing was obeying the rules of the road ... any suggestions would be appreciated ...
k UM ALL!!!!!Part of driving safely is understanding how your driving is perceived by others, what messages it sends and what reactions it will elicit. Most drivers treat mini roundabouts as junctions but with roundabout priority, therefore I do too as this seems pragmatic and avoids any confusion. I would stop worrying about following the letter of the highway code and drive in a manner which clearly signals your intentions to others and therefore eliminates any danger caused by misreading your intentions, i.e. treat mini roundabouts the same as everyone else and just drive over them.
TurboHatchback said:
Part of driving safely is understanding how your driving is perceived by others, what messages it sends and what reactions it will elicit. Most drivers treat mini roundabouts as junctions but with roundabout priority, therefore I do too as this seems pragmatic and avoids any confusion. I would stop worrying about following the letter of the highway code and drive in a manner which clearly signals your intentions to others and therefore eliminates any danger caused by misreading your intentions, i.e. treat mini roundabouts the same as everyone else and just drive over them.
Sadly I think you are probably right, maybe just pinch a bit of it or so ...If you think there might be an issue with other mis-interpreting your intention then adjust slightly by perhaps going over a little of the white round bit - I do that especially if there is someone to the left waiting to emerge
Often, over-slowing can give the wrong impression - drivers tend to slow down more to turn left than they do to go road ahead
Often, over-slowing can give the wrong impression - drivers tend to slow down more to turn left than they do to go road ahead
mph999 said:
Not quite sure where I am going wrong ...
In nutshell, because I treat mini roundabouts correctly, it's brining me in conflict with other traffic ...
2. Again turning right, car on left had stopped, but in hindsight expected me to go straight over the markings, meaning as I went round and thus slightly towards him, he had started to move off ...
Assuming you were indicating right on approach, then zero out of 10 for his observation skills.In nutshell, because I treat mini roundabouts correctly, it's brining me in conflict with other traffic ...
2. Again turning right, car on left had stopped, but in hindsight expected me to go straight over the markings, meaning as I went round and thus slightly towards him, he had started to move off ...
As said, stick to the rules of the road.
R0G said:
If you think there might be an issue with other mis-interpreting your intention then adjust slightly by perhaps going over a little of the white round bit - I do that especially if there is someone to the left waiting to emerge
Often, over-slowing can give the wrong impression - drivers tend to slow down more to turn left than they do to go road ahead
I reckon ROG's advice is the best so far ...Often, over-slowing can give the wrong impression - drivers tend to slow down more to turn left than they do to go road ahead
mph999 said:
Not quite sure where I am going wrong ...
2. Again turning right, car on left had stopped, but in hindsight expected me to go straight over the markings, meaning as I went round and thus slightly towards him, he had started to move off - it wasn't that close but closer than I would have liked as you have to keep looking right on this junction as cars come round a slightly blind bend quicker than you can get clear, so having established he had stopped and had seen me, was kinda of expecting him to stay there ... got a bit of a shock when I looked back ...
I have witnessed this twice at the same mini roundabout. I also know someone who was pulled over by plod for cutting across the centre of the same roundabout. I don't cut across (in a car) but always expect the car to the left to pull out so plan accordingly. 2. Again turning right, car on left had stopped, but in hindsight expected me to go straight over the markings, meaning as I went round and thus slightly towards him, he had started to move off - it wasn't that close but closer than I would have liked as you have to keep looking right on this junction as cars come round a slightly blind bend quicker than you can get clear, so having established he had stopped and had seen me, was kinda of expecting him to stay there ... got a bit of a shock when I looked back ...
7mike said:
I have witnessed this twice at the same mini roundabout. I also know someone who was pulled over by plod for cutting across the centre of the same roundabout. I don't cut across (in a car) but always expect the car to the left to pull out so plan accordingly.
When i did my driving lessons (many moons ago) the instructor told me i could go over the painted area within reason. Ive always kept it to never go over it with more than half the car. I can only see a reason to get pulled by Mr Dibble if you take the p1ss and your more on the other side of the road or something. Afterall they are made so they can be ran over with longer vehicles.
theshrew said:
When i did my driving lessons (many moons ago) the instructor told me i could go over the painted area within reason. Ive always kept it to never go over it with more than half the car.
I can only see a reason to get pulled by Mr Dibble if you take the p1ss and your more on the other side of the road or something. Afterall they are made so they can be ran over with longer vehicles.
How many moons ago? That used to be the case, but quite a lot of moons ago the law changed. You must avoid driving on the white bit "unless the size of the vehicle or the layout of the junction makes it impracticable to do so". See 5(b) (diagram 1003.4 referred to there is the marking for a mini roundabout).I can only see a reason to get pulled by Mr Dibble if you take the p1ss and your more on the other side of the road or something. Afterall they are made so they can be ran over with longer vehicles.
SK425 said:
theshrew said:
When i did my driving lessons (many moons ago) the instructor told me i could go over the painted area within reason. Ive always kept it to never go over it with more than half the car.
I can only see a reason to get pulled by Mr Dibble if you take the p1ss and your more on the other side of the road or something. Afterall they are made so they can be ran over with longer vehicles.
How many moons ago? That used to be the case, but quite a lot of moons ago the law changed. You must avoid driving on the white bit "unless the size of the vehicle or the layout of the junction makes it impracticable to do so". See 5(b) (diagram 1003.4 referred to there is the marking for a mini roundabout).I can only see a reason to get pulled by Mr Dibble if you take the p1ss and your more on the other side of the road or something. Afterall they are made so they can be ran over with longer vehicles.
At least that clears it up, Thanks
I think I too do them 'text book' but when turning right, I'll be positioned as far to the right as I feel sensible (kissing the island for a larger mini one, going over part of it on very tight ones - where I would argue it would be foolish to try and stay so wide as to avoid it). They are complex bits of road that most view as a normal junction. You have to do what you can to avoid any confusion over your intentions. If your positioning a long way to the left, while indicating right, it does send mixed messages, but it is very poor for someone to overtake there.
mph999 said:
For info, the numnuts that over took me on the roundabout went completed wrong side ... It was also 'raised' (constructed of blocks), though plenty of people do go over it ...
Sounds like a bit of a loony, who overtakes by going the wrong way round a roundabout?Foppo said:
What is the point of these mini roundabouts?
The majority of drivers when turning right or straight on drive across them.
They have roundabout priority instead of junction priority regardless of how you drive across them.The majority of drivers when turning right or straight on drive across them.
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