RE: Jaguar XE - full details
Discussion
ZesPak said:
Let's take a 3-series, because it's easy to do:
The petrol is 40% higher, at 20k/year miles (hardly a huge number?), it's not hard to work out that might easily be £800/year!
On top of that, most taxing in most countries works on CO2.
So, in my eyes, you REALLY have to want a petrol engine to justify it.
I love my bike and petrol car, I do think it offers a feel and a noise you won't find in a diesel, I really do.
Yet for a car like this, you'd have to do some serious man maths to make petrol "work". And then settle for the slower, less refined car that's more expensive to run.
It ain't that simple, though. | 335xi | 335xd | |
|---|---|---|
| 0-62 | 5,0 | 4,8 |
| HP | 306 | 313 |
| L/100km | 7,6 | 5,4 |
| CO2 | 178 | 143 |
The petrol is 40% higher, at 20k/year miles (hardly a huge number?), it's not hard to work out that might easily be £800/year!
On top of that, most taxing in most countries works on CO2.
So, in my eyes, you REALLY have to want a petrol engine to justify it.
I love my bike and petrol car, I do think it offers a feel and a noise you won't find in a diesel, I really do.
Yet for a car like this, you'd have to do some serious man maths to make petrol "work". And then settle for the slower, less refined car that's more expensive to run.
Real-world fuel consumption vs the tested official economy - this variance differs by model.
Diesels are less efficient in very cold weather.
Diesel costs more per litre than petrol (in the UK at least).
Diesel car's list price is often more than the equivalent petrol.
Different residuals for petrol vs diesel.
Aside from all that, driving a brand new 335 BMW for 20k miles per year is going to cost what, maybe £6-8k per year all in? Given that cost level, paying a premium of several hundred quid for the pleasure of a petrol engine (if that is the person's preference) is by no means some crazy man maths.
I saw one of these while travelling along the Fosseway a couple of weeks ago: it was black and looked unbelievably dull. The only reason I noticed it is because I thought it odd that somebody had put DLRs on such on old car. So disappointing. Hopefully other colours suit it better, but having just revisited the press images I don't hold out much hope.
McAndy said:
I saw one of these while travelling along the Fosseway a couple of weeks ago: it was black and looked unbelievably dull. The only reason I noticed it is because I thought it odd that somebody had put DLRs on such on old car. So disappointing. Hopefully other colours suit it better, but having just revisited the press images I don't hold out much hope.
Interesting, I recently saw one in metallic Red (launch colour?) and thought it looked superb. I thought how much better than in some of the pics which give the impression of a scaled down XF with an Audi A5 rear end -it looked very wide and low, almost coupe-ish. In the metal it looked really sharp and modern with a pronounced flick to the edge of the bootlid which reminded me of an M3 CSL. The wheel to arch relationship (i think the youngsters call it 'stance') was good too, although I'm sure it was on 19 or 20" alloys.
I guess black can disguise a shape somewhat and make a car look a bit generic.
McAndy said:
I saw one of these while travelling along the Fosseway a couple of weeks ago: it was black and looked unbelievably dull. The only reason I noticed it is because I thought it odd that somebody had put DLRs on such on old car. So disappointing. Hopefully other colours suit it better, but having just revisited the press images I don't hold out much hope.
Similar feelings here. I followed a silver one yesterday and it took me a while to register that it was such a significant new car. I agree on the A5 look and from the front it was a more chiselled XF. Unfortunately, conservatism is essential to win in the fleet market.
ZesPak said:
ORD said:
Fair point. But the strange thing is that most people don't even bother to work out what running a diesel will actually save them and then look at the saving in the context of the overall cost of motoring. It's usually a few hundred quid except for people who do lots of miles. If that amount of money is a concern, don't buy a new car, let alone a new Jag!
Let's take a 3-series, because it's easy to do:| 335xi | 335xd | |
|---|---|---|
| 0-62 | 5,0 | 4,8 |
| HP | 306 | 313 |
| L/100km | 7,6 | 5,4 |
| CO2 | 178 | 143 |
The petrol is 40% higher, at 20k/year miles (hardly a huge number?), it's not hard to work out that might easily be £800/year!
On top of that, most taxing in most countries works on CO2.
So, in my eyes, you REALLY have to want a petrol engine to justify it.
I love my bike and petrol car, I do think it offers a feel and a noise you won't find in a diesel, I really do.
Yet for a car like this, you'd have to do some serious man maths to make petrol "work". And then settle for the slower, less refined car that's more expensive to run.
monamimate said:
Sat in an XE today.
Did someone forget to tell them at Jaguar that they sell a premium product? I thought I'd stepped into Kia or a Hyundai.
Simply awful. Poor materials, horrible design, cheap looking...
Audi and BMW interior designers must be laughing their heads off.
Oh dear that doesn't sound good. With a new A4 on the way, a refresh on the already new C-class mooted and the LCI 3 series coming soon, I do think that Jaguar would have been better to do an "Apple" and announce and ship rather than this hype building bDid someone forget to tell them at Jaguar that they sell a premium product? I thought I'd stepped into Kia or a Hyundai.
Simply awful. Poor materials, horrible design, cheap looking...
Audi and BMW interior designers must be laughing their heads off.
ks it's just a rep mobile after all. You can bet that ze Germans will make sure their cars are faster, better equipped and more efficient than before as they will do everything to stop JLR making headway in this sector.
monamimate said:
Sat in an XE today.
Did someone forget to tell them at Jaguar that they sell a premium product? I thought I'd stepped into Kia or a Hyundai.
Simply awful. Poor materials, horrible design, cheap looking...
Audi and BMW interior designers must be laughing their heads off.
Going to have a look tomorrow... Really hope it doesn't disappoint. Did someone forget to tell them at Jaguar that they sell a premium product? I thought I'd stepped into Kia or a Hyundai.
Simply awful. Poor materials, horrible design, cheap looking...
Audi and BMW interior designers must be laughing their heads off.
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