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Follow a vaguely paleo diet with a few lapses for the sake of convenience or the odd indulgence. 80/20 doesn't seem to work well for me as I generally find that after a couple of days without a significant amount of sugar or carbs I stop wanting them, but if I do eat them regularly then I want more.
grumbledoak said:
It isn't the calorie density: you can eat quite a bit of fat. It is low GI though, which removes the sugar -> insulin -> hungry again cycle that makes many people snack twice a day. That alone can spare them 500 kcals/day without effort.
The original atkins was high fat, low carb medium protein it's just the media thought it was high protein. It's cheaper to eat fat as well, cream cheese is cheap from aldi, get some funny looks buying ten though..markcoznottz said:
The original atkins was high fat, low carb medium protein it's just the media thought it was high protein. It's cheaper to eat fat as well, cream cheese is cheap from aldi, get some funny looks buying ten though..
Low GI/Paleo/Atkins/Taubes are all much the same. For all the same reasons.The mainstream media don't think, they print what their advertisers pay them to print. Or they lose the contract.
Wow what a crash..... I did 6 weeks on the paleo and results were amazing, down below 10% BF really trim and lean, treated myself to a bag of crisps and just could not stop, I swear to god I have eaten s
t all day long every day for a month ............ zero exercise, just eating.
Been back running for a week and a good diet and feel great but I have never experienced such cravings for utter ste.
t all day long every day for a month ............ zero exercise, just eating.Been back running for a week and a good diet and feel great but I have never experienced such cravings for utter s
te.markcoznottz said:
The original atkins was high fat, low carb medium protein it's just the media thought it was high protein. It's cheaper to eat fat as well, cream cheese is cheap from aldi, get some funny looks buying ten though..
High fat is much easier for weight control personally. I find I don't really lose at all, without fasting, unless I get fat above 60% intake. I am out of the habit of calculating it these days, which is probably why I struggle to do anything more than maintain my current flab unless I go for intermittent fasting, but a ratio of 60/30/10 seemed to work well in my best period of weight loss. I avoid dairy so it is a bit harder to get fat that high - coconut oil helps.
Loren Cordain was fairly anti-fat in the early days.He's much more relaxed now, but hasn't updated his book, unfortunately.
I feel that I was lucky in that I read Ray Audette first before Cordain. Audette is very pro animal fats and I do think that's a healthier approach than using vegetable oils as an alternative. His book looks like it's just been re-released on kindle - it's been out of print for a long while.
oldbanger said:
From my records around 2500-3000 kcal.
Feeling a bit glum now -it's been 6 years. How time flies.
Coulda eaten a few packets of McCoy's in that. I don't know how heavy you were but that's my maintenance level.Feeling a bit glum now -it's been 6 years. How time flies.
The 6 year thing suggests the problem with this is that you end up being in an on-off diet mentality rather than a long term healthy eating mentality.
I am still low carb paleo, but at a level where I maintain rather than lose weight. I eat meat, fish, eggs, nuts, veg and berries, minimal grain, no milk or cheese, no alcohol etc . Unfortunately my downfall are covenience foods like nuts, v dark chocolate and hot deli chicken (packed with sugar).
I am doing a Paleo diet of sorts - main thing i am not following is no dairy as I have milk in my tea and yoghurt/cheese
Aside from that the mai nthign I have given up is wheat and oats (and all the foods that stem from them) - and all processed food..
I have bought myself some (expensive) paleo granola) for breakfast.
Only been doign it about a week but certainly noticed some weight loss.
Only exercised once but am hoping once I ramped up the exercise weight loss will go faster.
Aside from that the mai nthign I have given up is wheat and oats (and all the foods that stem from them) - and all processed food..
I have bought myself some (expensive) paleo granola) for breakfast.
Only been doign it about a week but certainly noticed some weight loss.
Only exercised once but am hoping once I ramped up the exercise weight loss will go faster.
By all means do the exercise, but the weight loss is all about your diet. A slice of cake, or two pints of beer, is roughly the calorie equivalent of a 5km run. Run it off, or don't eat it? It is pretty obvious which is easier. Also any exercise will make you hungrier as your body will want those burned calories back, so you are back to feeling starving and 'willpower'.
Remember: you get fit in the gym, thin in the kitchen.
Remember: you get fit in the gym, thin in the kitchen.
Edited by grumbledoak on Saturday 15th November 16:44
If Paleo helps you cut processed foods, then give it a try in the short term. It's probably not worth doing for a long time, though, as it has too much fat and protein and too little carbohydrates (especially whole grains) to be practical or healthy for most people, and this applies even more if you're exercising a lot.
goldblum said:
If Paleo helps you cut processed foods, then give it a try in the short term. It's probably not worth doing for a long time, though, as it has too much fat and protein and too little carbohydrates (especially whole grains) to be practical or healthy for most people, and this applies even more if you're exercising a lot.
Why do we need whole grains to be healthy? I was of the understanding that this outdated information is why diabetes is at an all time high and the majority of the population are overweight.
Warnie said:
Why do we need whole grains to be healthy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/10/whole-grains-health-benefits_n_5655022.htmlWarnie said:
I was of the understanding that this outdated information is why diabetes is at an all time high and the majority of the population are overweight.
Diabetes is at an all time high and the majority of the population are overweight because of outdated information? What information is that then?Warnie said:
Why do we need whole grains to be healthy?
I was of the understanding that this outdated information is why diabetes is at an all time high and the majority of the population are overweight.
I'm not aware of anyone blaming whole grains for the current obesity epidemic. Sugar seems to be the main culprit, and its inclusion in processed foods.I was of the understanding that this outdated information is why diabetes is at an all time high and the majority of the population are overweight.
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