Discussion
Asterix said:
groucho said:
My Dad has always voted Labour and still does. Would I? No f
king way!
Out of curiosity - what reasoning does your dad follow to vote Labour?king way!edh said:
I didn't vote Labour in 2005 because of the Iraq war. They screwed up banking regulation and were captured by the City, instead of supporting productive businesses.
Is that all that put you off...?What about leaving our armed forces short handed and ill equipped (not enough helicopters, etc) at the start of the campaign in Afghanistan...?
Or getting rid of the 10p rate of tax - which hit the lowest paid in 2009...
Or hugely increasing the number of PFI contracts, so that our schools and hospitals are now saddled with 40 years of extortionate debt repayments....
Or selling off half the UK's gold reserves off at ebay prices in 1999...
Or giving £50 million of our hard earnt money to China to help them with their 'green' credentials in 2008...
Or having an open door policy on immigration which helped keep already low pay levels at an all time low...
Or carrying out a raid on the nations pension funds in 1997...
Or giving up over £9 bn of the UK's EU rebate in 2005...?
Are you sure you want to go distributing leaflets for a party with a record like that?
gregf40 said:
edh said:
So far that's been pretty much all the Tories have had to offer - their campaign has been very poor.
Oh right...and there was me thinking they should be judged on the past 5 years. Silly me.If people are to vote with some kind of accuracy, they must stand back and look at what each party has done over the long term.
The Callaghan labour government left the UK and its economy a rubbish strewn wreck, and the laughing stock of other countries (Callaghan, had to go cap in hand to the IMF for a bail out during his term of office)
Then the Tories got in and spent years repairing the damage to the UK economy, leaving the following Bliar / Gormless Clown government the biggest economic surplus in peacetime history of the UK.
Labour then proceeded to trash the UK economy (AGAIN) Even after Gormless, had raided the pensions of millions of working people, and sold off the UK`s gold reserves at an all time low price (seen the price of gold now?) so that he could splash that cash around to create the ILLUSION (for the hard of thinking) that a labour government `works'
This was compounded when Tony Bliar gave away (for nothing) the UK`s EU rebate, and then they wondered where the hell all the money was gone. Labour did not cause the global recession, but they put the UK in a dire position to weather the financial hardships to follow, because of their incompetence.
All talk of a decent well funded NHS, decent schools, the welfare state, etc is just secondary, because without a sound economy in the first place we simply cannot pay for them. Everyone who looks at recent history can only conclude that labour always wreck the UK economy, and it therefore follows that they wreck the NHS, schools, and everything that relies on the economy for its funding.
A vote for labour is a vote for the destruction of the UK economy, nothing less. leopards don't change their spots.
Pan Pan Pan said:
All these promises and bribes are easy to make regardless of which party is making them.
If people are to vote with some kind of accuracy, they must stand back and look at what each party has done over the long term.
The Callaghan labour government left the UK and its economy a rubbish strewn wreck, and the laughing stock of other countries (Callaghan, had to go cap in hand to the IMF for a bail out during his term of office)
Then the Tories got in and spent years repairing the damage to the UK economy, leaving the following Bliar / Gormless Clown government the biggest economic surplus in peacetime history of the UK.
Labour then proceeded to trash the UK economy (AGAIN) Even after Gormless, had raided the pensions of millions of working people, and sold off the UK`s gold reserves at an all time low price (seen the price of gold now?) so that he could splash that cash around to create the ILLUSION (for the hard of thinking) that a labour government `works'
This was compounded when Tony Bliar gave away (for nothing) the UK`s EU rebate, and then they wondered where the hell all the money was gone. Labour did not cause the global recession, but they put the UK in a dire position to weather the financial hardships to follow, because of their incompetence.
All talk of a decent well funded NHS, decent schools, the welfare state, etc is just secondary, because without a sound economy in the first place we simply cannot pay for them. Everyone who looks at recent history can only conclude that labour always wreck the UK economy, and it therefore follows that they wreck the NHS, schools, and everything that relies on the economy for its funding.
A vote for labour is a vote for the destruction of the UK economy, nothing less. leopards don't change their spots.
nutshellIf people are to vote with some kind of accuracy, they must stand back and look at what each party has done over the long term.
The Callaghan labour government left the UK and its economy a rubbish strewn wreck, and the laughing stock of other countries (Callaghan, had to go cap in hand to the IMF for a bail out during his term of office)
Then the Tories got in and spent years repairing the damage to the UK economy, leaving the following Bliar / Gormless Clown government the biggest economic surplus in peacetime history of the UK.
Labour then proceeded to trash the UK economy (AGAIN) Even after Gormless, had raided the pensions of millions of working people, and sold off the UK`s gold reserves at an all time low price (seen the price of gold now?) so that he could splash that cash around to create the ILLUSION (for the hard of thinking) that a labour government `works'
This was compounded when Tony Bliar gave away (for nothing) the UK`s EU rebate, and then they wondered where the hell all the money was gone. Labour did not cause the global recession, but they put the UK in a dire position to weather the financial hardships to follow, because of their incompetence.
All talk of a decent well funded NHS, decent schools, the welfare state, etc is just secondary, because without a sound economy in the first place we simply cannot pay for them. Everyone who looks at recent history can only conclude that labour always wreck the UK economy, and it therefore follows that they wreck the NHS, schools, and everything that relies on the economy for its funding.
A vote for labour is a vote for the destruction of the UK economy, nothing less. leopards don't change their spots.
barryrs said:
Challo said:
I wonder how many MP's will be hit with the Mansion Tax if it takes hold??
From what I have read none.Apparently under current MP guidelines on expenses a mansion tax would be a legitimate expense that could be reclaimed.
Can't say I'm surprised!
Pan Pan Pan said:
All these promises and bribes are easy to make regardless of which party is making them.
If people are to vote with some kind of accuracy, they must stand back and look at what each party has done over the long term.
The Callaghan labour government left the UK and its economy a rubbish strewn wreck, and the laughing stock of other countries (Callaghan, had to go cap in hand to the IMF for a bail out during his term of office)
Then the Tories got in and spent years repairing the damage to the UK economy, leaving the following Bliar / Gormless Clown government the biggest economic surplus in peacetime history of the UK.
Labour then proceeded to trash the UK economy (AGAIN) Even after Gormless, had raided the pensions of millions of working people, and sold off the UK`s gold reserves at an all time low price (seen the price of gold now?) so that he could splash that cash around to create the ILLUSION (for the hard of thinking) that a labour government `works'
This was compounded when Tony Bliar gave away (for nothing) the UK`s EU rebate, and then they wondered where the hell all the money was gone. Labour did not cause the global recession, but they put the UK in a dire position to weather the financial hardships to follow, because of their incompetence.
All talk of a decent well funded NHS, decent schools, the welfare state, etc is just secondary, because without a sound economy in the first place we simply cannot pay for them. Everyone who looks at recent history can only conclude that labour always wreck the UK economy, and it therefore follows that they wreck the NHS, schools, and everything that relies on the economy for its funding.
A vote for labour is a vote for the destruction of the UK economy, nothing less. leopards don't change their spots.
You forgot the Wilson government, they didn't do too well either.If people are to vote with some kind of accuracy, they must stand back and look at what each party has done over the long term.
The Callaghan labour government left the UK and its economy a rubbish strewn wreck, and the laughing stock of other countries (Callaghan, had to go cap in hand to the IMF for a bail out during his term of office)
Then the Tories got in and spent years repairing the damage to the UK economy, leaving the following Bliar / Gormless Clown government the biggest economic surplus in peacetime history of the UK.
Labour then proceeded to trash the UK economy (AGAIN) Even after Gormless, had raided the pensions of millions of working people, and sold off the UK`s gold reserves at an all time low price (seen the price of gold now?) so that he could splash that cash around to create the ILLUSION (for the hard of thinking) that a labour government `works'
This was compounded when Tony Bliar gave away (for nothing) the UK`s EU rebate, and then they wondered where the hell all the money was gone. Labour did not cause the global recession, but they put the UK in a dire position to weather the financial hardships to follow, because of their incompetence.
All talk of a decent well funded NHS, decent schools, the welfare state, etc is just secondary, because without a sound economy in the first place we simply cannot pay for them. Everyone who looks at recent history can only conclude that labour always wreck the UK economy, and it therefore follows that they wreck the NHS, schools, and everything that relies on the economy for its funding.
A vote for labour is a vote for the destruction of the UK economy, nothing less. leopards don't change their spots.
Labour can't do economics.
gruffalo said:
You forgot the Wilson government, they didn't do too well either.
Labour can't do economics.
it's not so much that, but that they simply don't care, so long as they can build up the union-dominated public sector and the numbers dependent on government for employment, benefits or both.Labour can't do economics.
Zod said:
gruffalo said:
You forgot the Wilson government, they didn't do too well either.
Labour can't do economics.
it's not so much that, but that they simply don't care, so long as they can build up the union-dominated public sector and the numbers dependent on government for employment, benefits or both.Labour can't do economics.
They only believe (quite rightly as it happens) that `someone' `somewhere' has more money than they have, and they want to get their hands on it. They also don`t care how those with more money than them, acquired that money, They just want to get their hands on it.
There are indeed the idle rich, but these are relatively small in number as a percentage of the population. Most of the rich make their money by taking risks in starting businesses and being either luckier / cleverer than the next. But this is how life works
and has done so since we first became upright apes.
A persons position in life, and income, is more a matter of a combination of intelligence, health, attitude / willingness to work, for a living (and of course luck) than anything else. If it was not, we would all be billionaire brain surgeons, airline
pilots, pop stars etc. but we are not.
In this country it makes no matter how low a person starts out from, if they have the intelligence, health, and willingness to work they can make a good (even an outstanding)living for themselves.(and pay their taxes)
The problem group, are those (rich or poor) who want the good lifestyle, but don't, or don't want to contribute to the country, or do the work needed to achieve it. The irony is that the `majority' of these tend to be `labour' voters. with their `others have got more than me and I want it' approach, rather than an `others have I got more than me, and I will work hard to get to that position too, outlook.
The average labour voter votes labour, because they don't look at the overall position.
They whinge about the cuts and the austerity measures. But that is the equivalent of blaming the doctor (tories) for giving them some nasty medicine, when they should really be blaming those who gave them the even nastier disease (which the medicine is for) in the first place (labour)
johnxjsc1985 said:
davepoth said:
Endorsement coming up then. I wonder how that will go down with the "yoof"?
seeing as they will not be registered to vote I doubt it counts much but it shows how wide a net Labour are prepared to spread to gain as much support and from any quarter.Pan Pan Pan said:
Zod said:
gruffalo said:
You forgot the Wilson government, they didn't do too well either.
Labour can't do economics.
it's not so much that, but that they simply don't care, so long as they can build up the union-dominated public sector and the numbers dependent on government for employment, benefits or both.Labour can't do economics.
They only believe (quite rightly as it happens) that `someone' `somewhere' has more money than they have, and they want to get their hands on it. They also don`t care how those with more money than them, acquired that money, They just want to get their hands on it.
There are indeed the idle rich, but these are relatively small in number as a percentage of the population. Most of the rich make their money by taking risks in starting businesses and being either luckier / cleverer than the next. But this is how life works
and has done so since we first became upright apes.
A persons position in life, and income, is more a matter of a combination of intelligence, health, attitude / willingness to work, for a living (and of course luck) than anything else. If it was not, we would all be billionaire brain surgeons, airline
pilots, pop stars etc. but we are not.
In this country it makes no matter how low a person starts out from, if they have the intelligence, health, and willingness to work they can make a good (even an outstanding)living for themselves.(and pay their taxes)
The problem group, are those (rich or poor) who want the good lifestyle, but don't, or don't want to contribute to the country, or do the work needed to achieve it. The irony is that the `majority' of these tend to be `labour' voters. with their `others have got more than me and I want it' approach, rather than an `others have I got more than me, and I will work hard to get to that position too, outlook.
The average labour voter votes labour, because they don't look at the overall position.
They whinge about the cuts and the austerity measures. But that is the equivalent of blaming the doctor (tories) for giving them some nasty medicine, when they should really be blaming those who gave them the even nastier disease (which the medicine is for) in the first place (labour)
You should put that in an open letter to every daily rag in the country Pan, the responses would be highly interesting.
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