Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

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Big Al.

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68,853 posts

258 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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NoNeed

15,137 posts

200 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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I was thinking exactly that Moonhawk biggrin

Wombat3

12,151 posts

206 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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This thread should be a bullst-free thread on the referendum.

Wouldn't that be a nice change?

jimmyjimjim

7,340 posts

238 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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It would be very quiet without any contributions from the yes camp.

Wombat3

12,151 posts

206 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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FWIW, my view is that it will be fairly close but that there is a fairly large silent majority who are saying nothing but will do their talking with a cross in the "No" box and then go home and get on with life (and continue to say nothing).

Twilkes

478 posts

139 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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There was a man walking down Sauchiehall Street yesterday, wearing nothing but a tartan thong, holding a sign saying 'Vote Yes To End Poverty'.

FACT.

mercGLowner

1,668 posts

184 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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And so, we enter the final chapter ...unless of course we get 530 pages in Vol 6 in 8 days.....

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

219 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Twilkes said:
There was a man walking down Sauchiehall Street yesterday, wearing nothing but a tartan thong, holding a sign saying 'Vote Yes To End Poverty'.

FACT.
Not a true Scotsman then wink

V8RX7

26,862 posts

263 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Wouldn't you rather be in full possession of the facts before making such a huge decision?

If you guys want to go it alone then more power to you. But most of us can't understand why you would do so on the back of being fed misinformation by the SNP and lacking even the most basic facts about how Scotland will function.

Not even any idea about which currency an independent Scotland will use.
No idea about how it will construct central services or pay for them.
No mapping has seemingly been done at all about how things will work.

Just Alex Salmond saying "it will be ok in the long run" and "we will get a currency union" and "we will join the EU" and "we will join NATO" when the people who are in possession of the facts have already ruled those things out, if not forever then for a long, long time.

The people who vote 'No' know what they are voting for.

Do the 'Yes' camp have any idea of what their cross in the box actually means?
Everyone I've spoken to thinks the same - how can anyone make a decision when there are no facts ?

Wombat3

12,151 posts

206 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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V8RX7 said:
said:
Wouldn't you rather be in full possession of the facts before making such a huge decision?

If you guys want to go it alone then more power to you. But most of us can't understand why you would do so on the back of being fed misinformation by the SNP and lacking even the most basic facts about how Scotland will function.

Not even any idea about which currency an independent Scotland will use.
No idea about how it will construct central services or pay for them.
No mapping has seemingly been done at all about how things will work.

Just Alex Salmond saying "it will be ok in the long run" and "we will get a currency union" and "we will join the EU" and "we will join NATO" when the people who are in possession of the facts have already ruled those things out, if not forever then for a long, long time.

The people who vote 'No' know what they are voting for.

Do the 'Yes' camp have any idea of what their cross in the box actually means?
Everyone I've spoken to thinks the same - how can anyone make a decision when there are no facts ?
If the polls are to be believed, well over 1M people are set to do (or have done) exactly that

Rollin

6,088 posts

245 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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53% No 47% Yes according to Ch4 tweet.

Funk

26,274 posts

209 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Wombat3 said:
V8RX7 said:
said:
Wouldn't you rather be in full possession of the facts before making such a huge decision?

If you guys want to go it alone then more power to you. But most of us can't understand why you would do so on the back of being fed misinformation by the SNP and lacking even the most basic facts about how Scotland will function.

Not even any idea about which currency an independent Scotland will use.
No idea about how it will construct central services or pay for them.
No mapping has seemingly been done at all about how things will work.

Just Alex Salmond saying "it will be ok in the long run" and "we will get a currency union" and "we will join the EU" and "we will join NATO" when the people who are in possession of the facts have already ruled those things out, if not forever then for a long, long time.

The people who vote 'No' know what they are voting for.

Do the 'Yes' camp have any idea of what their cross in the box actually means?
Everyone I've spoken to thinks the same - how can anyone make a decision when there are no facts ?
If the polls are to be believed, well over 1M people are set to do (or have done) exactly that
To be frank, if there are that many stupid people in Scotland, on balance can't we view this as an 'idiot purge'?

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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bluebarge said:
So what do you think you're going to get, and what will be your levers for getting it?
I won't get anything but I expect Scotland will be getting a share of : National debt, the pound, North Sea Oil, gold and foreign currency reserves, military ships, tanks, aircraft, various buildings and property in the UK and abroad, etc etc etc.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

219 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Rollin said:
53% No 47% Yes according to Ch4 tweet.
If true - that's exactly the same as the YouGov and Survation polls conducted at the end of August.

Lefty

16,154 posts

202 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Good article in the FT:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b5c48254-376e-11e4-bd0a-...

And as for Standard Life and BP, pfft only rich Tories benefit from business and pensions eh? rolleyes

Bluebarge

4,519 posts

178 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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el stovey said:
bluebarge said:
So what do you think you're going to get, and what will be your levers for getting it?
I won't get anything but I expect Scotland will be getting a share of : National debt, the pound, North Sea Oil, gold and foreign currency reserves, military ships, tanks, aircraft, various buildings and property in the UK and abroad, etc etc etc.
You forgot to answer the 2nd part of the question. How will you persuade rUK to give away these assets?

Rollin

6,088 posts

245 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Moonhawk said:
Rollin said:
53% No 47% Yes according to Ch4 tweet.
If true - that's exactly the same as the YouGov and Survation polls conducted at the end of August.
I think it'll be 60:40 to No next week.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

219 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Bluebarge said:
You forgot to answer the 2nd part of the question. How will you persuade rUK to give away these assets?
To be fair - these things are probably subject division according to international laws on self determination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination

The rUK may have no choice than to split assets and liabilities per capita.

Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 10th September 18:37

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

219 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Rollin said:
I think it'll be 60:40 to No next week.
I guess it could be that wide.

If you look at the underlying results from some of these polls - they do give No a larger lead than the "weighted" results suggest. The weighting has tended to bias the result towards Yes in the more recent polls.

Wombat3

12,151 posts

206 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Moonhawk said:
Rollin said:
I think it'll be 60:40 to No next week.
I guess it could be that wide.

If you look at the underlying results from some of these polls - they do give No a larger lead than the "weighted" results suggest. The weighting has tended to bias the result towards Yes in the more recent polls.
As above, might be wrong but I think there is a silent majority who will do their business anonymously and that will be that. If its as wide as 60:40 Salmond will look like (even more of) a moron.
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