Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
arp1 said:
Just for kicks imagine that for a second that Snp, plaid or Sinn Fein became a 'king maker' and those in England 'didn't get who we voted for'...
Well, for a start I don't think the default reaction of most people in England would be "we didn't get who we voted for" The English would likely as not accept the Government and move on.The longer term reaction of the electorate would, I suspect, depend on how the new Government went about things. If, for example, the SNP were the king maker and it used its position to leverage significant taxes, unfairness or undue hardship on England (or wales or NI) in order the feather Scotlands nest and to keep the unrealistic promises it has made to the Scottish electorate then I think you would see protests..
arp1 said:
Just for kicks imagine that for a second that Snp, plaid or Sinn Fein became a 'king maker' and those in England 'didn't get who we voted for'...
Now here you show yourself up to be nothing more than a racistNo one has a problem with the SNP because they are scottish
The problem with the SNP is the are authoritarian left wing idiots
This is why i hate them
Where as you seem to be obsessing over their nationality
It is you that is desperately trying to create a england hates the scottish situation
McWigglebum4th said:
arp1 said:
If the media are portraying one part of the country 'ruling' another, then what part is 'ruling' just now? Media hypocracy as usual and as we are in this rosy Union, ten what does it matter who is 'ruling' and from what part of the country?
If you don't want tone ruled by another nation then can i ask for an answer to thisWhy do you hate UKIP so much?
Why is being in the EU so important?
Or even an honest answer
arp1 said:
Just for kicks imagine that for a second that Snp, plaid or Sinn Fein became a 'king maker' and those in England 'didn't get who we voted for'...
Yeah and? Theres a lot of people who didn't vote Tory/libdem and they didnt get who they voted for. Theres a lot who did vote for one of those parties and don't think they got what they voted for. The greens might be king maker and i won't have voted for them either. I'm missing your point. can you be clearer please?HD Adam said:
HD Adam said:
xjsdriver said:
Not only have the 45 stuck together - we've attracted some that voted No too. It's not surprising how toxic the thought of voting Labour has become.
According to the lies, damn lies & statistics, if the SNP wins as many votes as you say, Labour will not be able to form a Government as they won't have a majority.Wee Jimmy Krankie has said that she will not enter a coalition with the Tories but would with Labour to form a majority in Westminster.
So, voting Labour is toxic, therefore vote SNP and get a Labour Govt
How does that work then?
xjsdriver said:
I've answered many, many questions many times over - sometimes having to repeat myself, like I'm having to explain to children with learning difficulties, who throw a strop if they don't like what they hear.
Could you answer this one then please?
Welshbeef said:
She wants another £180 billion in the next parliament, paid by the English for the benefit of the Scots — this, though her nation already receives a disproportionate share of UK public spending.
Why is this fair? £36 billion EACH year for 5 years paid for by England to go to Scotland... Um bailing out Lloyds and RBS cost about the same as one year of this yet that was dammed as those vile bankers yet now they want 5x that level of funding.
Thing is she hasn't even given an idea as to what it would mean as a return we know in 3 years time following the Tory plan we will be in surplus. This deal mean we will be £180 billion additional debt the current defecit remaining and we'd have to assume the additional £36billoon a year would simply stop in 2020 I bet it wouldn't those nasty Westminster changing the boosted Barnet formulae again.
Actually they want it £180billion but also another vote and get the Yes leave and refuse to pay back any money.
Must think rUK voters are muggs
Pardon?Why is this fair? £36 billion EACH year for 5 years paid for by England to go to Scotland... Um bailing out Lloyds and RBS cost about the same as one year of this yet that was dammed as those vile bankers yet now they want 5x that level of funding.
Thing is she hasn't even given an idea as to what it would mean as a return we know in 3 years time following the Tory plan we will be in surplus. This deal mean we will be £180 billion additional debt the current defecit remaining and we'd have to assume the additional £36billoon a year would simply stop in 2020 I bet it wouldn't those nasty Westminster changing the boosted Barnet formulae again.
Actually they want it £180billion but also another vote and get the Yes leave and refuse to pay back any money.
Must think rUK voters are muggs
"paid by the English"?
Really? Please explain that. Is there a pot of money raised solely by "the English"?
Think about it.
TroubledSoul said:
Good God, surely it's time to put this thread to bed now? It's just a bunch of nonsensical yessers still trying in vain to justify themselves while ignoring any valid points against; the biggest one of those being THE PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND DIDN'T VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE!!
Argh! I feel better now.
It's also a bunch of nonsensical noers still going on about it!Argh! I feel better now.
McWigglebum4th said:
Now here you show yourself up to be nothing more than a racist
No one has a problem with the SNP because they are scottish
The problem with the SNP is the are authoritarian left wing idiots
This is why i hate them
Where as you seem to be obsessing over their nationality
It is you that is desperately trying to create a england hates the scottish situation
Jeez Wiggley. Not the R word again. No one has a problem with the SNP because they are scottish
The problem with the SNP is the are authoritarian left wing idiots
This is why i hate them
Where as you seem to be obsessing over their nationality
It is you that is desperately trying to create a england hates the scottish situation
You call lots of people "racist" yet in virtually every other post tell us how you hate socialists / communists / lefties / etc.
In your view, there is no difference.
So odd.
Edinburger said:
Welshbeef said:
She wants another £180 billion in the next parliament, paid by the English for the benefit of the Scots � this, though her nation already receives a disproportionate share of UK public spending.
Why is this fair? £36 billion EACH year for 5 years paid for by England to go to Scotland... Um bailing out Lloyds and RBS cost about the same as one year of this yet that was dammed as those vile bankers yet now they want 5x that level of funding.
Thing is she hasn't even given an idea as to what it would mean as a return we know in 3 years time following the Tory plan we will be in surplus. This deal mean we will be £180 billion additional debt the current defecit remaining and we'd have to assume the additional £36billoon a year would simply stop in 2020 I bet it wouldn't those nasty Westminster changing the boosted Barnet formulae again.
Actually they want it £180billion but also another vote and get the Yes leave and refuse to pay back any money.
Must think rUK voters are muggs
Pardon?Why is this fair? £36 billion EACH year for 5 years paid for by England to go to Scotland... Um bailing out Lloyds and RBS cost about the same as one year of this yet that was dammed as those vile bankers yet now they want 5x that level of funding.
Thing is she hasn't even given an idea as to what it would mean as a return we know in 3 years time following the Tory plan we will be in surplus. This deal mean we will be £180 billion additional debt the current defecit remaining and we'd have to assume the additional £36billoon a year would simply stop in 2020 I bet it wouldn't those nasty Westminster changing the boosted Barnet formulae again.
Actually they want it £180billion but also another vote and get the Yes leave and refuse to pay back any money.
Must think rUK voters are muggs
"paid by the English"?
Really? Please explain that. Is there a pot of money raised solely by "the English"?
Think about it.
Edinburger said:
Jeez Wiggley. Not the R word again.
You call lots of people "racist" yet in virtually every other post tell us how you hate socialists / communists / lefties / etc.
In your view, there is no difference.
So odd.
Hating people because of their views is nothing like racismYou call lots of people "racist" yet in virtually every other post tell us how you hate socialists / communists / lefties / etc.
In your view, there is no difference.
So odd.
We can all agree the Nazi party was pretty unpleasant
Edinburger said:
Pardon?
"paid by the English"?
Really? Please explain that. Is there a pot of money raised solely by "the English"?
Think about it.
Seeing at the tax is planned to be on houses >£2m they are nearly all in SE hardly any in Scotland as per QT Scottish labour leader tax raised in England to pay for Scotland. "paid by the English"?
Really? Please explain that. Is there a pot of money raised solely by "the English"?
Think about it.
Keep up at the back.
Edinburger said:
Pardon?
"paid by the English"?
Really? Please explain that. Is there a pot of money raised solely by "the English"?
Think about it.
Well, since Scottish politicians , SNP and LABOUR are both talking about stuff in Scotland being paid for by a Mansion tax that they themselves say will largely fall on those in the South east of England I think its you that needs to think about it!"paid by the English"?
Really? Please explain that. Is there a pot of money raised solely by "the English"?
Think about it.
The south east is one of the few areas of the UK that actually pays in more than it takes out of the pot. Not a problem for the people of the UNITED KINGDOM, but it will become a rather different matter if it becomes clear that the south east is being cnically used as a cash cow to pay for SNP electioneering and largesse. I suppose on one level it comes down to this.... For all the time the south east has been as wealthy as it is it has rarely if ever complained about shouldering the lions share of the burden to support the less well off areas of the UK. You might argue that it should pay even more, but thats a political point that in no way detracts from the fact that the south east already pays a shed load.
Contrast with Scot nats who were largely ignored when Scotland had little, but as soon as oil is discovered then all of a sudden it becomes Scotlands oil, and Scotlands money etc. The rest of the UK are now seen as parasites by Nats.
Its hard enough having to listen to that sort of nonsense as an Englishman, imagine how disgusted the Welsh and the Norns must be feeling!
Edinburger said:
I've always said England needs and deserves it's own devolved parliament.
No thank you. Another layer of bureaucracy. Another layer of incompetent politicians. Jumped up councillors who think they can run a county but couldn't organise a panic in a doomed submarine. Growth of unpleasant nationalism - people wrapping themselves in meaningless flags merely to gain more power for themselves and stir up hatred and discontent to ensure their own reelection. I've seen it in Scotland and don't want it in England.
Edinburger said:
I've always said England needs and deserves it's own devolved parliament.
Why? C£5billion a year extra cost for what?We have UK wide a great system of representation until hot houses were built in N Ire Wales and Scotland needlessly
100k people per MP 650 of them they vote on the needs of the country from the requirements of the constituents. Why try to make it harder than it needs to be.
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