Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

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General Price

5,249 posts

183 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Dundee Courier said:
Sir, – I am increasingly concerned about the behaviour and attitude of First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon. She would appear to have forgotten, or chosen to ignore, the result of the referendum, when the Scottish people voted decisively to say “no” to independence.

Her duty, as First Minister, is to honour and respect that decision, and while she is entitled to seek more, devolved powers for the Scottish Parliament, she is not entitled to continue to blatantly challenge the referendum decision and make demands of Westminster relative to matters which the people of Scotland agreed, by their vote, should remain devolved.

Ms Sturgeon’s repeated visits south to “lecture” the English, Welsh and Northern Irish as to how they should behave; how they should conduct their affairs; and make strident “demands” as to what she will require to support continuing government in Westminster. is very concerning.

Her behaviour and attitude that the SNP will hold the “balance of power” after the next election, and will only support further legislation if the rest of the United Kingdom meets the SNP’s “requirements” displays a breathtaking arrogance and lack of judgement.

I am as fervent a Scot as any but Nicola Sturgeon is doing us great damage and will alienate our English, Welsh and Northern Irish friends very quickly if she continues with this strident attitude.

Common sense surely tells us that we, the Scottish people, are much better and more secure if we remain as one United Kingdom.

Do we — yet again — want the continuing spectre of no longer being a part of the United Kingdom; no longer entitled to a British passport; having to apply to become a member of the European Union; risking losing our Scottish naval shipbuilding contracts to England; losing thousands of jobs at Faslane and the whole Helensburgh area and possibly Leuchars as a major military base; thinking we can realistically “go it alone” in the North Sea with a collapsed oil price?

It is time it was made clear to our First Minister that her ambitions have no place in Scottish politics. The referendum vote showed that.

Hamish Carlton.
Gowrie Cottage,
Dunkeld.
Obviously a Tory.scratchchin

Edinburger

10,403 posts

168 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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General Price said:
Obviously a Tory.scratchchin
Mr Carlton makes a lot of good points.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

204 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Edinburger said:
Mr Carlton makes a lot of good points.
But when i make similar points you ask about sweeties

care to disagree with his point that the SNP are hammering away on the wedge as hard as they can

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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So sturgeon has given a speech today and the hard red lines for a coalition with labour are
No trident
No austerity and vast increase in spend
Much more powers to Scotland


Um kind of means it will not happen.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

204 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Welshbeef said:
So sturgeon has given a speech today and the hard red lines for a coalition with labour are
No trident
No austerity and vast increase in spend
Much more powers to Scotland


Um kind of means it will not happen.
2 possibilities

1 they are delusional idiots who believe they will get everything they wish for

2 They want to make labour unelectable so they can scream tory oppression




It is 1 isn't it

simoid

19,772 posts

158 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Strocky said:
simoid said:
Perhaps not racist as we are the same race. What might the equivalent for nations be..?

Nationalist? wink

I always recall Salmond challenging the UKPM to "come up here and argue against Scotland" or words to that effect. As if you must either be on Scotland's side or the UK side. Disgusting.
If words to that effect = lies, then yes I agree
"He said this would give the Prime Minister the opportunity to “articulate a case against Scotland”, while he would make the opposing argument for independence."

Taken from "Alex Salmond wants David Cameron to make 'anti-Scottish' case in TV debate"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10...

Lies?

rofl



spitsfire

1,035 posts

135 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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Excellent article in the Staggers - http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/apr/14/marktran...

"It’s a disagreeable trait of nationalist parties everywhere to seek to conflate themselves and the country they claim to speak for. Scotland is bigger than the SNP. When Alex Salmond says it’s ‘disrespectful’ to rule out any UK government being formed off the back of SNP votes, he’s at it too. It’s not disrespectful towards Scots. It is, however, perfectly reasonably, antagonistic to the SNP and the principle which motivates it"

///ajd

8,964 posts

206 months

///ajd

8,964 posts

206 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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simoid said:
Strocky said:
simoid said:
Perhaps not racist as we are the same race. What might the equivalent for nations be..?

Nationalist? wink

I always recall Salmond challenging the UKPM to "come up here and argue against Scotland" or words to that effect. As if you must either be on Scotland's side or the UK side. Disgusting.
If words to that effect = lies, then yes I agree
"He said this would give the Prime Minister the opportunity to “articulate a case against Scotland”, while he would make the opposing argument for independence."

Taken from "Alex Salmond wants David Cameron to make 'anti-Scottish' case in TV debate"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10...

Lies?

rofl

"Salmond said this would give the Prime Minister the opportunity to “articulate a case against Scotland”, while he would make the opposing argument for independence.

The Scottish Liberal Democrats said the intervention had “given the game away” because it showed that Mr Salmond is prepared to label anyone anti-Scottish just because they do not agree with separation.

Alistair Carmichael MP, the party’s deputy leader, attacked the First Minister’s “cheap and narrow” remark and accused him of overseeing a “nationalist witch-hunt.”

“This is the negative campaign from the nationalists which says that anyone who questions their plans is fundamentally against Scotland,” the Orkney and Shetland MP said."
This is Nationalism. This is ugly.

The SNP does not speak for Scotland.

Vote for SNP = vote for breaking up the UK. Don't vpte SNP if you want to keep the UK.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

135 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-3016...

The SNP and Labour luvvies' are up to some fine tricks rofl

arp1

583 posts

127 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

204 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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arp1 said:
Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....
if i voted NO does that mean i supported child molesting?


McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

204 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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Nationalists


Answer this

You believe that scotland should keep all the oil money and whiskey income, as scotland earned this money and it is rightfully scotlands and it should not be spent in england to support those less fortunate to ourselves


You also believe that I who earn good money in the oil industry should give far more of my income to the state as it despite the fact i earned my income and it isn't rightfully mine, it should be used to support those less fortunate then myself



Could you please please please please explain what the difference is

AstonZagato

12,699 posts

210 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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arp1 said:
Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....
Because such things can only happen in rUK?

All animals are created equal but some are more equal than others.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

135 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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arp1 said:
Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....
That makes it perfectly OK then....

simoid

19,772 posts

158 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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arp1 said:
Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....
Or wife beating. SNP voters in Fife voted for domestic violence, didn't they? rolleyes

I don't suppose you'd like to apologise for calling me a liar now, would you?

finnie

166 posts

186 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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agree 100%

McWigglebum4th said:
Nationalists


Answer this

You believe that scotland should keep all the oil money and whiskey income, as scotland earned this money and it is rightfully scotlands and it should not be spent in england to support those less fortunate to ourselves


You also believe that I who earn good money in the oil industry should give far more of my income to the state as it despite the fact i earned my income and it isn't rightfully mine, it should be used to support those less fortunate then myself



Could you please please please please explain what the difference is

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

262 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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finnie said:
agree 100%

McWigglebum4th said:
Nationalists


Answer this

You believe that scotland should keep all the oil money and whiskey income, as scotland earned this money and it is rightfully scotlands and it should not be spent in england to support those less fortunate to ourselves


You also believe that I who earn good money in the oil industry should give far more of my income to the state as it despite the fact i earned my income and it isn't rightfully mine, it should be used to support those less fortunate then myself



Could you please please please please explain what the difference is
BOOM

Zod

35,295 posts

258 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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McWigglebum4th said:
arp1 said:
Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....
if i voted NO does that mean i supported child molesting?
One idiot on the UKIP thread told me the other day that my support for the Conservatives meant that I supported "paedophile facilitators".

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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finnie said:
agree 100%

McWigglebum4th said:
Nationalists


Answer this

You believe that scotland should keep all the oil money and whiskey income, as scotland earned this money and it is rightfully scotlands and it should not be spent in england to support those less fortunate to ourselves


You also believe that I who earn good money in the oil industry should give far more of my income to the state as it despite the fact i earned my income and it isn't rightfully mine, it should be used to support those less fortunate then myself



Could you please please please please explain what the difference is
Evil bedroom tax and pasty vat robbing vile Tories isn't it?
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