Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

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McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Edinburger said:
NoNeed said:
Feel free to expand the list if he has forgotten something.
The list on why so many voted Yes?

You're clearly on a piss take given that it's been discussed time and time again over five volumes?
You want a pisstaking reason for voting YES

1 We would be independent
2 We would all be rich
3 life would be fair


Did i miss something?

speedy_thrills

7,760 posts

242 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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NoNeed said:
What did he forget?
Only SNP will make whisky makers take those nasty plastic things off the top of whisky bottles*.

  • May not be an actual policy.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Edinburger said:
McWigglebum4th said:
WHAT you aren't anti tory
Nope. If you'd paid attention to my posts, you'd have seen that I agree with quite a lot of Conservative policies and I've voted Conservative in the past.
In which case you have no place in Scotland

Just saying what SNP members tell me

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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NoNeed said:
Edinburger said:
NoNeed said:
Feel free to expand the list if he has forgotten something.
The list on why so many voted Yes?

You're clearly on a piss take given that it's been discussed time and time again over five volumes?
What did he forget?
Typical of nats


Say something is total rubbish


BUT


Can never say why it is total rubbish

arp1

583 posts

126 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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You REALLY do want to run this country down and to hell with the consequences eh?

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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arp1 said:
You REALLY do want to run this country down and to hell with the consequences eh?
No you appear to of mistaken me for the SNP


The SNP want the country to go down the stter as then they can blame the english and win independence


I want scotland to succeed
I want scotland to attract investment
I want scotland to get richer
I want scotland to be welcoming to big business and wealthy individuals
I want to see more people working in scotland



Tell me


Do you want to see more people getting richer and more secure so they don't want independence


I voted NO because i am well off and have a nice secure job, most NO voting scum like myself voted NO for very similar reasons



///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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McWigglebum4th said:
arp1 said:
You REALLY do want to run this country down and to hell with the consequences eh?
No you appear to of mistaken me for the SNP


The SNP want the country to go down the stter as then they can blame the english and win independence


I want scotland to succeed
I want scotland to attract investment
I want scotland to get richer
I want scotland to be welcoming to big business and wealthy individuals
I want to see more people working in scotland



Tell me


Do you want to see more people getting richer and more secure so they don't want independence


I voted NO because i am well off and have a nice secure job, most NO voting scum like myself voted NO for very similar reasons
The ultimate irony is that nicola is just as bad - if not worse - than the fat cat bankers.

She sells false dreams of wealth and fairness whilst having no intention of doing anything about it. Fuelled by nationalist nonsense, she gets her bankers salary (salary is higher than cameron ffs for running a tin pot council for less than a tenth of the population), by selling the gullible these lies. And they fall for it as demonstrated here.

She is scamming the IQ45ers just like a cowboy builder with the gift of the gab. Poor Scotland.

MissChief

7,095 posts

167 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.

barryrs

4,376 posts

222 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
Don't suppose you could tell me which English party is running in Scotland?

As an Englishman living in Somerset I'm unable to vote for a Scottish party.

AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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barryrs said:
MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
Don't suppose you could tell me which English party is running in Scotland?

As an Englishman living in Somerset I'm unable to vote for a Scottish party.
Nor indeed can one vote for an English party south of the border (though this does not bother me, for one).

MissChief

7,095 posts

167 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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barryrs said:
Don't suppose you could tell me which English party is running in Scotland?

As an Englishman living in Somerset I'm unable to vote for a Scottish party.
Hence my use of quotes. There would be no reason why someone couldn't stand for the SNP in your constituency!

barryrs

4,376 posts

222 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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MissChief said:
Hence my use of quotes. There would be no reason why someone couldn't stand for the SNP in your constituency!
I'm confused.

To suggest that all other parties standing in the GE are "English" sounds just like standard SNP propaganda.

Wombat3

11,967 posts

205 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
Risible garbage. You seem to be yet another one who doesn't understand that there is no such thing as government money , no free money or that that there is no magic money tree down the end of the glen either.....

and FFS, put your victim card away!

The vast majority of people that earn more than you are more than likely

a) harder working than you or
b) more talented than you or
c) smarter than you

Or some combination of all three.

What is far less likely is that they are just "lucky" or in some way "favoured"

Fortunately for you such people (and businesses)pay a huge amount of tax to fund the government (which still manages to spend even more still). Said government then spends a disproportionate amount of that money (per head of population) in Scotland. The amount of tax being extracted from the highest earners has also never been higher. See also "the Laffer curve" and be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you (us).

Scotland does very nicely out of being part of the Union, it receives far greater amounts of public spending per head than almost anywhere else. In cash terms by far the largest amount of that money is generated in London and the south east - so God help you if the part of the country that really earns the money and also contains a far greater percentage of the population (than is in Scotland) ever turns round & tells you to "do one".


simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
I think you're mistaking "cares for the UK equally" for "doesn't care about Scotland".

The SNP only care about themselves too. Pretending to care about the poor, moaning about Tories = vote winner with the poor. Spending as much money as they can on middle class families = vote winner for the less poor. Pretending to stand up for Scotland against the English = vote winner with the gullible.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
If you want to see businesses leaving Scotland then vote SNP

I cannot argue with that logic

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
A few points.
1. Scottish citizens will have pensions these pension funds invest in UK & overseas companies. If said businesses don't do well the pension pot is lower so less pension when we retire. Lower Corporation tax means more dividends which helps this cause a very minor upside of the low corporation tax but one for the pensioners none the less.

2. The GE needs to be for the UK as a whole what is best for the country to maximise its earnings potential, increase population satisfaction, and by having a successful economy it means welfare and NHS and education and MOD and and and can be funded. If you don't then your spending today and borrowing so that our children and grand children will pay for our overindulgeance and also means if they want the same level of care education MOD welfare etc then on top of paying for us they then have to pay again for themselves. Why is this fair?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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Why does sturgeon say a "Modest" increase in spending which equates to £180 BILLION! That's nearly 25% of the total UK budget.

Doesn't compute.
Instead rather than saying modest and only 0.5% above real terms spending which can confuse many instead simply say we want to spend 4x what was spent on bailing out the banks to do XYZ. Then back it up by stating that will mean we slow the deficit clearing by x years but to pay down that extra £180billion will probably take a further 5-10years beyond the increased length of time it takes to clear the deficit.


Smoke and Mirrors Mrs Sturgeon.

Garvin

5,156 posts

176 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
Would that be the Scotland that the UK Government gives more to per capita in funding than other areas? Is that the Scotland that has devolved powers? Is that the Scotland that has fully devolved power over its NHS yet has abused its higher funding by not matching the increased NHS funding provided in rUK, and yet moans loudly about it? Are those the businesses that provide the jobs, true wealth and economic growth within the UK?

Is that the SNP whose financial assessment of an independent Scotland was so far wide of the mark it was laughable. Is that the SNP that cares only about its self and its buddies (and exercises largesse by making its SNP leader the highest paid woman in UK politics!) and doesn't give a stuff about the rest of UK?

SNP, the party for the hard of thinking!

AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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She does it because either she doesn't understand money (and large numbers) or she thinks the electorate don't understand money (and large numbers).

The thing is that very few people have a conception of extremely large numbers. It is like Monopoly money. It seems totally meaningless. £180 billion doesn't sound that much more that £180 million. Yes, if you ask how much bigger, most people would know that it is 1,000x bigger. But 1,000 doesn't sound much bigger when you are dealing with millions. 1,000 is a small number.

Until, that is, you look at what it takes to pay it back.

Say you pay back the borrowing at £1 a second, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

To repay £180 million at that rate takes just over 2,000 days. An understandable period.

To repay £180 billion at the same rate would take over 5,700 years. That is longer than the Great Pyramid of Giza has been around. Over a thousand years longer.

She doesn't understand it or hopes the electorate doesn't (and largely they don't, nor do politicians)

AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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James Naughtie will be off the SNP's Christmas card list after today.

He had the temerity to ask John Swinney the same question ("will you force another election over Trident if you don't get your way?") repeatedly. He then pointed out that not only was he not answering the question but was also trying to mislead people on the 5 year fixed term (Swinney was suggesting it wasn't legally possible for the government to fall).

At least James won't get hate messages because the knuckle-draggers don't listen to the Today programme because it requires rational thought of its listeners and contributors.
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