U2's new album for free......

[singlecoil]

audidoody said:

singlecoil said:

I Paul McCartney is the best songwriter who has ever lived but I can't think of anything decent he's written in the last 4 decades.

Springsteen has written some stunning stuff since he was 40

And while I bow to no man in my appreciation of The Beatles and McCartney's output when he was a Fab you'd have to be one of his kids to call him " the best songwriter who has ever lived". His solo stuff leaves me bored and annoyed

Macca himself would probably find it curious you have not also mentioned at least Dylan, Lennon, Paul Simon. Ray Davies, George Harrison, Brian Wilson, Cole Porter, Sammy Cahn, George and Ira Gershwin, Chuck Berry, Lieber and Stoller, Rogers and Hammerstein, Irving Berlin, Buddy Holly, Goffin &King etc as "the best songwriters who ever lived"

Edited by audidoody on Tuesday 16th September 11:11

I thought someone would have a nibble on that. What makes him the greatest songwriter ever is range. The others you mention tend to write in the same genre, whereas McCartney could move effortlessly from one genre to another and produce masterpieces. From stuff as simple as Mull of Kintyre to complex stuff like Penny Lane. Birthday to Eleanor Rigby. Range. Show me another writer that can equal that.

[grumbledoak]

singlecoil said:

... and produce masterpieces. From stuff as simple as Mull of Kintyre to complex stuff like Penny Lane. Birthday to Eleanor Rigby. Range. Show me another writer that can equal that.

This is sarcasm, isn't it?

Just announced on the radio that apple have release a tool (I presume they mean an app) to remove that album from your iTunes collection.

[audidoody]

Agreed - he is a Jack of all genres.


Dylan - compare and contrast:

"Highway 61 Revisited" - "John Wesley Harding"


Not-going-to-bite-anymore

Edited by audidoody on Tuesday 16th September 13:39

[irocfan]

sparkyhx said:

cos you gotta buy into the whole ecosystem - its so much easier to mix and match on a PC.

And most people are used to them from work. Apple have just about turned into the "big bad control freak" they were complaining about Microsoft years ago.

personally I don't know how they get away with it, the EU crucified Microsoft for their practices, but Apple seem to be 10x worse.

glad I'm not the only one who sees the irony here... and IMO itunes is just a big load of useless dogwk, fking hate it; and now that the 160gb ipod is being caned I'll be switching to a portable HD for the car and no need for this wky system ever again. s

[qube_TA]

sparkyhx said:

cos you gotta buy into the whole ecosystem - its so much easier to mix and match on a PC.

And most people are used to them from work. Apple have just about turned into the "big bad control freak" they were complaining about Microsoft years ago.

personally I don't know how they get away with it, the EU crucified Microsoft for their practices, but Apple seem to be 10x worse.

in what way do you 'gotta buy into the whole ecosystem'?

And in what way is it 'easier to mix and match on a PC'? Yes you could build your own tower but if that was of interest you'd not be looking at any pre-built system.

The EU ruling over MS was due to the fact at the time there was little competition and those that attempted it were squashed by them (Netscape, Real etc)

Given that Apple are not a monopoly as only 10% of desk/laptops run their software and although their iDevices are popular they're far from having any sort of monopoly on the market. You're not forced to use their hard or software in any way shape or form and there's nothing Apple could do to change that situation.

Apple make their kit play with each other very well but there's nothing stopping you getting them to talk to 3rd party devices. Sure if you've chosen to use iTunes to manage your media you're going to need an iDevice if you want to take that media elsewhere. But if you were using a 3rd party media device then you'd just be using an equivalent to iTunes. You're not being restricted in any way.

I always find it curious as to why some people get so bent out of shape over Apple, to me it's getting upset over a feature or policy on a new Audi car when you've chosen to drive a different brand.

[qube_TA]

amused

[singlecoil]

qube_TA said:

I always find it curious as to why some people get so bent out of shape over Apple, to me it's getting upset over a feature or policy on a new Audi car when you've chosen to drive a different brand.

An American visitor to our predominantly British forum, how charming!

Anyway, the reason why people react to posts extolling the wonders of Apple is that those wonders are bought at a heavy premium, there's nothing clever about making something good if it's also bloody expensive. Now if they were to make their reportedly marvellous stuff available at reasonable prices, I daresay they would take over from the PC and MS in short order.

[anonymous-user]

Not being funny,but what kind of idiot thinks it's a good idea to spam millions of users with something they don't want .
Any halfwit would know its a daft idea.
A megacorp?. What can I say.

[Halmyre]

singlecoil said:

audidoody said:

singlecoil said:

I Paul McCartney is the best songwriter who has ever lived but I can't think of anything decent he's written in the last 4 decades.

Springsteen has written some stunning stuff since he was 40

And while I bow to no man in my appreciation of The Beatles and McCartney's output when he was a Fab you'd have to be one of his kids to call him " the best songwriter who has ever lived". His solo stuff leaves me bored and annoyed

Macca himself would probably find it curious you have not also mentioned at least Dylan, Lennon, Paul Simon. Ray Davies, George Harrison, Brian Wilson, Cole Porter, Sammy Cahn, George and Ira Gershwin, Chuck Berry, Lieber and Stoller, Rogers and Hammerstein, Irving Berlin, Buddy Holly, Goffin &King etc as "the best songwriters who ever lived"

Edited by audidoody on Tuesday 16th September 11:11

I thought someone would have a nibble on that. What makes him the greatest songwriter ever is range. The others you mention tend to write in the same genre, whereas McCartney could move effortlessly from one genre to another and produce masterpieces. From stuff as simple as Mull of Kintyre to complex stuff like Penny Lane. Birthday to Eleanor Rigby. Range. Show me another writer that can equal that.

Neil Young.

[singlecoil]

Halmyre said:

singlecoil said:

audidoody said:

singlecoil said:

I Paul McCartney is the best songwriter who has ever lived but I can't think of anything decent he's written in the last 4 decades.

Springsteen has written some stunning stuff since he was 40

And while I bow to no man in my appreciation of The Beatles and McCartney's output when he was a Fab you'd have to be one of his kids to call him " the best songwriter who has ever lived". His solo stuff leaves me bored and annoyed

Macca himself would probably find it curious you have not also mentioned at least Dylan, Lennon, Paul Simon. Ray Davies, George Harrison, Brian Wilson, Cole Porter, Sammy Cahn, George and Ira Gershwin, Chuck Berry, Lieber and Stoller, Rogers and Hammerstein, Irving Berlin, Buddy Holly, Goffin &King etc as "the best songwriters who ever lived"

Edited by audidoody on Tuesday 16th September 11:11

I thought someone would have a nibble on that. What makes him the greatest songwriter ever is range. The others you mention tend to write in the same genre, whereas McCartney could move effortlessly from one genre to another and produce masterpieces. From stuff as simple as Mull of Kintyre to complex stuff like Penny Lane. Birthday to Eleanor Rigby. Range. Show me another writer that can equal that.

Neil Young.

Examples?

[6th Gear]

Halmyre said:

singlecoil said:

audidoody said:

singlecoil said:

I Paul McCartney is the best songwriter who has ever lived but I can't think of anything decent he's written in the last 4 decades.

Springsteen has written some stunning stuff since he was 40

And while I bow to no man in my appreciation of The Beatles and McCartney's output when he was a Fab you'd have to be one of his kids to call him " the best songwriter who has ever lived". His solo stuff leaves me bored and annoyed

Macca himself would probably find it curious you have not also mentioned at least Dylan, Lennon, Paul Simon. Ray Davies, George Harrison, Brian Wilson, Cole Porter, Sammy Cahn, George and Ira Gershwin, Chuck Berry, Lieber and Stoller, Rogers and Hammerstein, Irving Berlin, Buddy Holly, Goffin &King etc as "the best songwriters who ever lived"

Edited by audidoody on Tuesday 16th September 11:11

I thought someone would have a nibble on that. What makes him the greatest songwriter ever is range. The others you mention tend to write in the same genre, whereas McCartney could move effortlessly from one genre to another and produce masterpieces. From stuff as simple as Mull of Kintyre to complex stuff like Penny Lane. Birthday to Eleanor Rigby. Range. Show me another writer that can equal that.

Neil Young.

Nile Rodgers.

http://legacy.nilerodgers.com/PressKit/NileRodgers...

Edited by 6th Gear on Wednesday 17th September 09:25

[Prawnboy]

Halmyre said:

singlecoil said:

audidoody said:

singlecoil said:

I Paul McCartney is the best songwriter who has ever lived but I can't think of anything decent he's written in the last 4 decades.

Springsteen has written some stunning stuff since he was 40

And while I bow to no man in my appreciation of The Beatles and McCartney's output when he was a Fab you'd have to be one of his kids to call him " the best songwriter who has ever lived". His solo stuff leaves me bored and annoyed

Macca himself would probably find it curious you have not also mentioned at least Dylan, Lennon, Paul Simon. Ray Davies, George Harrison, Brian Wilson, Cole Porter, Sammy Cahn, George and Ira Gershwin, Chuck Berry, Lieber and Stoller, Rogers and Hammerstein, Irving Berlin, Buddy Holly, Goffin &King etc as "the best songwriters who ever lived"

Edited by audidoody on Tuesday 16th September 11:11

I thought someone would have a nibble on that. What makes him the greatest songwriter ever is range. The others you mention tend to write in the same genre, whereas McCartney could move effortlessly from one genre to another and produce masterpieces. From stuff as simple as Mull of Kintyre to complex stuff like Penny Lane. Birthday to Eleanor Rigby. Range. Show me another writer that can equal that.

Neil Young.

or how about....
Prince
Bowie
Lou Reed

as well as all the examples already given.

all the examples of McCartney's above are co written with someone else. Has he even written anything worthwhile solo?
McCartney was good in the Beatles and Wings.

[singlecoil]

Prawnboy said:

all the examples of McCartney's above are co written with someone else. Has he even written anything worthwhile solo?
McCartney was good in the Beatles and Wings.

The writing credits were shared, but most of the writing was solo. This is historical fact as well as pretty obvious when you listen to the songs. His and Lennon's writing styles show clear differences.

Most of my favourite Beatles songs are actually Lennon compositions. When I say McCartney is the greatest song writer it isn't because I like his stuff better.

[Halmyre]

singlecoil said:

Halmyre said:

singlecoil said:

audidoody said:

singlecoil said:

I Paul McCartney is the best songwriter who has ever lived but I can't think of anything decent he's written in the last 4 decades.

Springsteen has written some stunning stuff since he was 40

And while I bow to no man in my appreciation of The Beatles and McCartney's output when he was a Fab you'd have to be one of his kids to call him " the best songwriter who has ever lived". His solo stuff leaves me bored and annoyed

Macca himself would probably find it curious you have not also mentioned at least Dylan, Lennon, Paul Simon. Ray Davies, George Harrison, Brian Wilson, Cole Porter, Sammy Cahn, George and Ira Gershwin, Chuck Berry, Lieber and Stoller, Rogers and Hammerstein, Irving Berlin, Buddy Holly, Goffin &King etc as "the best songwriters who ever lived"

Edited by audidoody on Tuesday 16th September 11:11

I thought someone would have a nibble on that. What makes him the greatest songwriter ever is range. The others you mention tend to write in the same genre, whereas McCartney could move effortlessly from one genre to another and produce masterpieces. From stuff as simple as Mull of Kintyre to complex stuff like Penny Lane. Birthday to Eleanor Rigby. Range. Show me another writer that can equal that.

Neil Young.

Examples?

Ohio, Needle And The Damage Done, Cortez The Killer, Powderfinger, Like A Hurricane, Heart Of Gold, Sample And Hold, Only Love Can Break Your Heart, After The Gold Rush, Harvest Moon, Rockin' In The Free World,...

A man sued by his own record company for making music 'unrepresentative of himself'.

[SGirl]

Interesting that in the Apple Store they're proclaiming this album as being "Mastered for iTunes", like that's some sort of advantage.

I would lament the loss of the Classic, but I was already cheesed off when they reduced the capacity of the biggest one so I switched to Cowon. Sure, the device isn't quite as user-friendly (!), but it plays all kinds of file formats and I can store all my FLAC files on it, which I'd much rather listen to than mp3s. iTunes doesn't bother me much one way or the other, but I preferred it a couple of years ago when everything was nice and straightforward. They've complicated it now to the point where I can't be bothered using it.

As for U2 - I never liked them anyway, so while it's very kind of Apple to give this away I'm not interested. Especially if it's "mastered for iTunes"!

[killingjoker]

audidoody said:

singlecoil said:

I Paul McCartney is the best songwriter who has ever lived but I can't think of anything decent he's written in the last 4 decades.

Springsteen has written some stunning stuff since he was 40

And while I bow to no man in my appreciation of The Beatles and McCartney's output when he was a Fab you'd have to be one of his kids to call him " the best songwriter who has ever lived". His solo stuff leaves me bored and annoyed

Macca himself would probably find it curious you have not also mentioned at least Dylan, Lennon, Paul Simon. Ray Davies, George Harrison, Brian Wilson, Cole Porter, Sammy Cahn, George and Ira Gershwin, Chuck Berry, Lieber and Stoller, Rogers and Hammerstein, Irving Berlin, Buddy Holly, Goffin &King etc as "the best songwriters who ever lived"

Edited by audidoody on Tuesday 16th September 11:11

What about Falco? Epic.

[qube_TA]

singlecoil said:

qube_TA said:

I always find it curious as to why some people get so bent out of shape over Apple, to me it's getting upset over a feature or policy on a new Audi car when you've chosen to drive a different brand.

Anyway, the reason why people react to posts extolling the wonders of Apple is that those wonders are bought at a heavy premium, there's nothing clever about making something good if it's also bloody expensive. Now if they were to make their reportedly marvellous stuff available at reasonable prices, I daresay they would take over from the PC and MS in short order.

Perhaps, but so what, if you think a product isn't worth the asking price then you either don't buy it or buy a cheaper alternative. You're not bullied or forced into buying or using anything made by Apple. Those that use their kit or services are happy to pay the asking prices as they regard them as worth it, just as say someone may pay for a Mercedes car over a Ford one when their 'function' is arguably the same. If they had a monopoly on the market then yes you could argue that they're profiteering (say you desperately wanted this U2 album but could only have it if you bought an iPhone6 ). But the Internet is stuffed with those that endlessly spew rage against anyone who dares to say that they quite like iOS, OSX or a Macbook. They're sheep they should have bought Microsoft or a 'droid. I don't understand why they give a st, why anyone would care about what someone else has chosen to buy or use.

Also 'there's nothing clever about making something good if it's also bloody expensive' strikes me as a curious position, should say a Veryon therefore be regarded as retarded as it's also bloody expensive?

[audidoody]

killingjoker said:

What about Falco? Epic.

Falco's OK. But Epic's songs are white noise.

[BritishRacinGrin]

Sorry to talk about U2 in a PC vs Mac thread, but I think SOR is a little bit of a return to form for U2 after the last couple of albums... At first I thought it sounded a little 'written by committee' I.e. "The Lumineers are doing well with this 'ho-hey' stuff, we'd better get some of that in there" but I started to like it more on second listen. Of course I don't expect them to ever match Achtung Baby or Joshua Tree, but it's not bad.

Edited by BritishRacinGrin on Monday 13th October 07:52

[peterpeter]

BritishRacinGrin said:

Sorry to talk about U2 in a PC vs Mac thread, but I think SOR is a little bit of a return to form for U2 after the last couple of albums... At first I thought it sounded a little 'written by committee' I.e. "The alum inserts are doing well with this 'ho-hey' stuff, we'd better get some of that in there" but I started to like it more on second listen. Of course I don't expect them to ever match Achtung Baby or Joshua Tree, but it's not bad.

I'm on my 8 th listen and am starting to think this is their best since zooropa and possibly better than that
Even better considering the global hatred of U2