Front cover of today's Times.
Discussion
mikef said:
Murph7355 said:
If they can do it in Brail, why not here (as an example)?
And that's just about the shame of being knocked out of the World Cup; not in the same league of seriousness(I meant BraZil btw - having a "brail" page in black would be an interesting concept
).I have no idea why or who changed my post.
For the record I stated in answer to tenpenceshort's post that it was fair game and news, that a newspaper with some class would have had a black front page and the story in page two.
That's all, anything else I have supposedly said on this thread, following edits (including a post where I apparently say that I was originally 'with tenoenceshort' on the issue is incorrect......I wasn't.
For the record I stated in answer to tenpenceshort's post that it was fair game and news, that a newspaper with some class would have had a black front page and the story in page two.
That's all, anything else I have supposedly said on this thread, following edits (including a post where I apparently say that I was originally 'with tenoenceshort' on the issue is incorrect......I wasn't.
s3fella said:
Frik said:
The moderation on this thread means that it doesn't make any sense at all.
I agree. They've just falsified what has been said by whom! I've just fixed your post, so it should make sense again.. Please report any other posts..
Am I the only one to think that the West were frustrated that they were unable to convince the world to let them change the regime in Syria so they orchestrated a few beheadings of a few Americans and now English to whip up a bit of public opinion in favour of going in?
Or is that too much of a conspiracy theory?
Will they "behead" a Frenchie or an Autralian soon?
Or is that too much of a conspiracy theory?
Will they "behead" a Frenchie or an Autralian soon?
IS are trying to provoke a military reaction to this so that they can enlarge their support in the area and claim to be the defenders of the faith against the English and American Infidels and Pigdogs.
You know what? I don't think we should give it to them.
They are cowards and betray their own religion. I am not a religious person but what I do know is that they have no idea of the true meaning of the Islamic faith and are even further out of whack than the radical Christians, Zionists and all the others who present a warped interpretation of their chosen religious text.
They are too scared to show their faces, yet they are happy to ambush, capture, torture and kill the very people who have come to their part of the World to try to help the locals either directly with aid or indirectly with reporting on their troubles and bringing the injustices to the eyes of the World.
They espouse a warped sense of their chosen religion, and yet those at the top ignore all that they preach and feather their own nests with the comforts and trappings of a world they wish to prevent anyone else having access or being party to.
They are weak and feeble of mind and soul and, if by some strange quirk or fate their is a God, they will be most upset to learn that their God does not tolerate extremists of any form, only those that seek to avoid harming others and look out for their fellow man. I'm fairly sure that rape and torture is not on the list of desirable qualities in a prospective resident of the Celestial Gardens.
The more I think about it though the more I am inclined to allow them their State. 6 Months to make your choice and deal with your affairs then the exit boarder closes. Trade with anyone, company or country outside of the state is forbidden. Anyone who wishes to go live their is welcome to do so, but there is no return. They must be self sufficient and then they can enjoy their utopia without the pollution of the West or other outside influences.
Any act of terrorism committed in their name outside their boarders and which is reasonably traceable back to IS will result in an aerial bombardment of the State lasting as many hours the number of people killed or seriously injured in each attack.
You know what? I don't think we should give it to them.
They are cowards and betray their own religion. I am not a religious person but what I do know is that they have no idea of the true meaning of the Islamic faith and are even further out of whack than the radical Christians, Zionists and all the others who present a warped interpretation of their chosen religious text.
They are too scared to show their faces, yet they are happy to ambush, capture, torture and kill the very people who have come to their part of the World to try to help the locals either directly with aid or indirectly with reporting on their troubles and bringing the injustices to the eyes of the World.
They espouse a warped sense of their chosen religion, and yet those at the top ignore all that they preach and feather their own nests with the comforts and trappings of a world they wish to prevent anyone else having access or being party to.
They are weak and feeble of mind and soul and, if by some strange quirk or fate their is a God, they will be most upset to learn that their God does not tolerate extremists of any form, only those that seek to avoid harming others and look out for their fellow man. I'm fairly sure that rape and torture is not on the list of desirable qualities in a prospective resident of the Celestial Gardens.
The more I think about it though the more I am inclined to allow them their State. 6 Months to make your choice and deal with your affairs then the exit boarder closes. Trade with anyone, company or country outside of the state is forbidden. Anyone who wishes to go live their is welcome to do so, but there is no return. They must be self sufficient and then they can enjoy their utopia without the pollution of the West or other outside influences.
Any act of terrorism committed in their name outside their boarders and which is reasonably traceable back to IS will result in an aerial bombardment of the State lasting as many hours the number of people killed or seriously injured in each attack.
Rude-boy said:
IS are trying to provoke a military reaction to this so that they can enlarge their support in the area and claim to be the defenders of the faith against the English and American Infidels and Pigdogs.
You know what? I don't think we should give it to them.
Bang on methinks. Over reaction by the west will play into their hands.You know what? I don't think we should give it to them.
Driller said:
Am I the only one to think that the West were frustrated that they were unable to convince the world to let them change the regime in Syria so they orchestrated a few beheadings of a few Americans and now English to whip up a bit of public opinion in favour of going in?
Or is that too much of a conspiracy theory?
Not too much; it's a very good conspiracy theory. It's well within the CIA's past actions.Or is that too much of a conspiracy theory?
I think we should allow them their state, once they've fought over the borders. The current lines on the map in that region are meaningless anyway.
I read this thread last night and thought it would be about the feature story's headline on their site at the time, which was "Queen intervenes in Scotland vote" (or something very similar). That story went to say in a private comment overheard outside a church she said "The Scottish people should think very carefully" as most outlets were reporting this morning - hardly intervening and making for a very misleading headline.
I've been a long term subscriber of the times. They put out a lot of good content, not least in their opinion pieces, but from time to time they really let themselves down.
I've been a long term subscriber of the times. They put out a lot of good content, not least in their opinion pieces, but from time to time they really let themselves down.
I.S. regard themselves as a 'state' already. Make it official, I say. Recognise it as a nation at the UN, the full nine yards.
That way, we'd have something, or someone to officially declare war on, and we'd be able to put an end to this liberal claptrap about it being "illegal to make citizens stateless". Let I.S. process the Jihadi's applications for citizenship, and issue their own passports. Then withdraw the British passport of anyone caught joining in out there. It'd be far easier to spot them, then, when they try to get 'home' to the UK.
Best of luck, chaps, travelling round the world for that 'holiday of a lifetime' with your 'Islamic Caliphate' passport...
As for the repeated publication of these quite graphic pictures? Ban it. The exposure plays into their hands, and they just go on repeating it over again. Like others have said, we can all imagine the scene for ourselves. If you won't publish the actual barbaric act (and no, I don't want them to), then don't publish any of the cheap propaganda they release. Photos on the front of Western newspapers of hostages in orange jumpsuits about to be murdered? As effective a recruiting poster for these extremist organisations as any image of Kitchener was during WWI, IMHO. By all means, report the news, but lets have an image blackout. Or even have a news blackout. Those who need to know will have been old by officials what happened and when, the rest of us don't need the gruesome details to understand that these animals value human life so cheaply.
That way, we'd have something, or someone to officially declare war on, and we'd be able to put an end to this liberal claptrap about it being "illegal to make citizens stateless". Let I.S. process the Jihadi's applications for citizenship, and issue their own passports. Then withdraw the British passport of anyone caught joining in out there. It'd be far easier to spot them, then, when they try to get 'home' to the UK.
Best of luck, chaps, travelling round the world for that 'holiday of a lifetime' with your 'Islamic Caliphate' passport...
As for the repeated publication of these quite graphic pictures? Ban it. The exposure plays into their hands, and they just go on repeating it over again. Like others have said, we can all imagine the scene for ourselves. If you won't publish the actual barbaric act (and no, I don't want them to), then don't publish any of the cheap propaganda they release. Photos on the front of Western newspapers of hostages in orange jumpsuits about to be murdered? As effective a recruiting poster for these extremist organisations as any image of Kitchener was during WWI, IMHO. By all means, report the news, but lets have an image blackout. Or even have a news blackout. Those who need to know will have been old by officials what happened and when, the rest of us don't need the gruesome details to understand that these animals value human life so cheaply.
grumbledoak said:
al Baghdadi could easily be just another in a long list of CIA 'assets' including Noriega, Hussein, and Gadaffi, all of whom got out of hand. Anyway, this is O/T, go do your own reading.
Nah, you're ok thanks, I just wondered what you meant. Sounded a bit like a lunatic conspiracy theory, mentioning actions rather than assets, it put me in mind of the nutters that think the CIA carried out the twin tower attacks, or that the moon landings never happened. (Anyway, google "Illicit CIA actions" and you get to all sorts of bizarre, conspiracy results. And probably your IP number on a list.)
How many more be-headings feature front page and we become conditioned to acceptance?
Real concern imo is, for example, yesterday in Waitrose (locally) - and no, I shop at virtually all supermarkets (that way you do get bargains) and they have approx a 12-15ft rack filled with the day's papers as they move quite a lot of them with their weekend offer of spend a tenner and get a free paper. They are all below eye-level so you glance downwards to read the front pages.
A 10(?) year-old girl was just in front of me, holding mum's hand, head turned, with mouth open looking directly at the images all at her eye level.
Great, eh?
Real concern imo is, for example, yesterday in Waitrose (locally) - and no, I shop at virtually all supermarkets (that way you do get bargains) and they have approx a 12-15ft rack filled with the day's papers as they move quite a lot of them with their weekend offer of spend a tenner and get a free paper. They are all below eye-level so you glance downwards to read the front pages.
A 10(?) year-old girl was just in front of me, holding mum's hand, head turned, with mouth open looking directly at the images all at her eye level.
Great, eh?
Driller said:
Am I the only one to think that the West were frustrated that they were unable to convince the world to let them change the regime in Syria so they orchestrated a few beheadings of a few Americans and now English to whip up a bit of public opinion in favour of going in?
Or is that too much of a conspiracy theory?
Will they "behead" a Frenchie or an Autralian soon?
Unless you are, literally, mentally ill and can't help yourself, that post and your surmise are as dumb as they are tasteless, whatever your rights of freedom of expression, to exhibit your idiocy.Or is that too much of a conspiracy theory?
Will they "behead" a Frenchie or an Autralian soon?
grumbledoak said:
Driller said:
Am I the only one to think that the West were frustrated that they were unable to convince the world to let them change the regime in Syria so they orchestrated a few beheadings of a few Americans and now English to whip up a bit of public opinion in favour of going in?
Or is that too much of a conspiracy theory?
Not too much; it's a very good conspiracy theory. It's well within the CIA's past actions.Or is that too much of a conspiracy theory?
I think we should allow them their state, once they've fought over the borders. The current lines on the map in that region are meaningless anyway.
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