RE: Toyota Celica GT-Four: PH Carpool

RE: Toyota Celica GT-Four: PH Carpool

Monday 15th September 2014

Toyota Celica GT-Four: PH Carpool

When you've grown up watching Sainz in a Celica there's only one car choice as an adult



Name: Gareth Griffiths (gazchap)
Car: Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST205)
Owned since: January 2009
Previously owned: "At the time I bought it, a Toyota Celica T-Sport, a Celica 140, a Vauxhall Vectra and a Seat Ibiza.

"Since I've bought it, a list as long as my arm, from MX5s to MR2s to M5s!"

Track day bug bit early!
Track day bug bit early!
Why I bought it:
"I had a Celica T-Sport but wanted more power, so a GT-Four seemed the logical step. I'd grown up watching Carlos Sainz race to glory in the WRC ST185s and put hours on Toyota Celica GT Rally on my Amiga too.

"I sort of fell into GT-Four ownership - amazingly I found someone who had a GT-Four but wanted to swap for my T-Sport. The deal was done and I've owned it ever since."

What I wish I'd known:
"I did a bit of research before taking the plunge, seeing stark warnings about the costs of suspension components etc. and while it's true that the Super Strut Suspension is quite fragile if you can find a car that's had it all sorted, you should be fine for a few years.

"I also wish I'd known just how much money I would pour into the car - it's been a real labour of love since I took ownership, but it's still worth it."

Things I love:
"The looks - I never really liked the "vanilla" look of the other rally monsters from the 90s, the Evos and the Imprezas. The Celica just looks so much more sporty - all subjective though, I guess!

"With decent rubber on, the car grips and grips - the AWD system is fixed 50/50 (as far as I know) so is primitive by today's standards, but even in the wet it's reluctant to let go - this does mean that having fun is a little difficult but it's still very enjoyable regardless of tail-out shenanigans.

"The relative rarity - you just don't see that many of them about, and since I put the rally livery on, it attracts a lot of attention (all positive.)

Mmm, 90s Jap chic
Mmm, 90s Jap chic
"Reliability is the biggest plus. Maybe I've just got a good one, but in the five and a half years I've owned the car, nothing has gone wrong. I've lightly modified the car and replaced various components, but nothing has ever broken and left me without the car. The only exception is my exhaust, which broke on the flexi section a few days ago, but that was my fault and not the car."

Things I hate:
"Apart from the frankly ridiculous positioning of the cupholders, I can't think of anything else.

"I had a period of a couple of years where the Celica spent most of its time in storage while I worked my way through a laundry list of other cars. Circumstances forced me to just go back to single car ownership and I'd forgotten how great a drive it is.

"The only car I've tried which is comparable in terms of smiles per mile was the Rev5 MR2 Turbo I briefly had in 2012. I've had two E6x M5s and while they were both monsters performance-wise, they really did feel like driving a boat in comparison."

Costs:
"By far the biggest cost of ownership has been the modifications, both cosmetic and mechanical. I've had the car resprayed, a new custom interior trim and the rally graphics made up on the cosmetic side, but performance-wise I've added a few things like adjustable coilovers, ARBs, a boost controller etc.

"Servicing has been reasonable, although I do most of my own oil changes so that helps. Insurance is a very reasonable £400 per year. If I want to do anything to the car, I always take it to Martin Kingston at MK Auto Repairs & Tuning in Blackburn - what that man doesn't know about GT-Fours isn't worth knowing."

You can see how lots was spent modifying!
You can see how lots was spent modifying!
Where I've been:
"My first track day was at Silverstone back in 2009 and I caught the bug, and I try and get on track at least twice a year now. Last time was at Blyton Park where my partner drove on track for the first time - I underestimated the car's grip as she powered around a tight bend covered in standing water, but the car just carried on as if it was a dry track. I was amazed, but I don't think the finger impressions in the passenger door handle have come out yet!"

What next?
"I don't think I can ever sell the car, but I'm a typical car nut - always looking at suitable second cars. Torn between a Boxster S, E46/90 M3 or a Honda S2000 currently.

"As for the Celica, I'm constantly flip-flopping between keeping it as it is or having the engine rebuilt with forged components and going for a bigger turbo and more power etc. - I am more than happy with the car as-is, though."

 

 

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redwedge

Original Poster:

2,421 posts

166 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Yes please, sitting in the garage alongside this: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/l...

The number of pound coins I pumped into Sega Rally as a kid would probably go some way to making that dream come true!

Edited by redwedge on Monday 15th September 11:05

eybic

9,212 posts

174 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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I love these cars, hopefully mine will be back on the road in the next few months.

Ved

3,825 posts

175 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Brilliant cars and always makes me regret selling mine.

timmeh2k

80 posts

152 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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I always think that people with Imprezas in rally livery look like nobs. This however looks perfect, lovely car

garypotter

1,499 posts

150 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Great looking car, well done, my fave Sega rally car of all time.


Chipster75

10 posts

170 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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My GT4 is still the one car I regret selling... only got rid as had no space for a 2nd car at the time...

dirty_dog

676 posts

176 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Brilliant - have always wanted one!

Edited by dirty_dog on Monday 15th September 13:10

soad

32,882 posts

176 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Looks great! biggrin

I'll leave this one here too:


smaybury

87 posts

149 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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I wonder how Carlos Sainz got on with the positioning of the cupholders... wink

Mr E

21,614 posts

259 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Owned one for some 7 years. It was a *little* bit more subtle that this one.
Still miss it. Good drive.

crostonian

2,427 posts

172 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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There's only a handful of Jap cars that appeal to me and this is one of them. Livery is up there with Martini Lancias, Marlboro Mitsubishis and 555 Subarus.

X5TUU

11,937 posts

187 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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I do like the idea of this ... and the GT4 is a car I used to want to own at some point, not so much anymore though, but for me the rally graphics date it much more than if it was just a plain car ... and I don't know why (not saying I don't like them btw)

Alfa159Ti

827 posts

157 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Looks lovely - always fancied driving one of these to see how it compared to the MR2 Turbos I had.

Those seats have taken 10 years off the interior.

J4CKO

41,499 posts

200 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Always think the boat has sailed, price wise on every other homoglation Special of that era, apart from the Celica, the only one that can be had at half reasonable money, Cosworths, Integrales, E30 M3's are all out of reach for a lot of enthusiasts.

Kind of fulfils the role for rally reps that the 944 does for Porsches, decent classic (excluding the 22B, P1 etc)Impreza's must be due to go up at some point as well.

neil1jnr

1,462 posts

155 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Such a cool car

dublet

283 posts

211 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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I have one, even if it lives mostly in my garage.

Leins

9,461 posts

148 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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J4CKO said:
Always think the boat has sailed, price wise on every other homoglation Special of that era, apart from the Celica, the only one that can be had at half reasonable money, Cosworths, Integrales, E30 M3's are all out of reach for a lot of enthusiasts.
What about the Sunny GTI-R and Mazda 323 Turbo? Not got the same kudos from WRC victories as the Celica or Delta mind

In terms of touring cars, manual 190E 16Vs are still reasonable enough, in comparison to those mentioned, unless you want the Evo models

mr2j

516 posts

158 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Very nice writeup. I fancy hopping in a GT-four someday thumbup



M@1975

591 posts

227 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Never had an ST205, had 4 ST185s though and really never should have given up the last one but she needed some work and I was running ym own business adn couldn't justify it at the time so sold it for way too little. frown
Would love to have one again but they are getting rare these days. Only 151 ST185s on the road these days.

Vince Noir

36 posts

194 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Had mine for 5 years and loved it depsite the 1st engine letting go (was over-boosted in a previous ownership & hidden with a fuel defencer). Eventually I moved on to a Honda S2000 but to this day while currently blasting around the Lake District, I miss the power and grip of the faff - such a great drivers car that it is!

If you're considering one, make sure you have enough spare cash to keep it running on top form & it'll reward you well. Definitely one for the collection...

Edited by Vince Noir on Monday 15th September 16:56