RE: Motorsport on Monday: 15/9/14

RE: Motorsport on Monday: 15/9/14

Monday 15th September 2014

Motorsport on Monday: 15/9/14

When the flag drops the talking stops - so what is Formula E racing really like?



Thankfully, I already took my medicine before lights out at the inaugural Formula E race last weekend. If I hadn't been prescribed a large, medicinal-grade doses of humble pie following the Formula E test day earlier in the year, I'd have been fit to burst from the quantity consumed on Saturday. Because actually, I really enjoyed it.

I'm sure the rules will morph and subtly change again over the year, just like they have on the run-up to the first race, but fundamentally, I thought the season opener was entertaining enough.

What everyone's debating; replay in the story
What everyone's debating; replay in the story
Amped up
I couldn't quite bring myself to vote for my favourite driver through Fanboost - that's one area that still doesn't seem right to me, affecting a race's outcome purely due to popularity - but I did fully embrace the new electric era in motorsport by sitting down to watch the race in a shoe shop (and a dress shop, and the supermarket...) on my smartphone.

The Beijing street circuit wasn't the most challenging, with plenty of 90-degree bends and chicanes, but that's what Formula E was always going to be about. However, the layout did produce some brilliant racing.

Franck Montagny - ahem - charged through the field like a man on a mission, flirting with the walls, while pole sitter Nicolas Prost got away cleanly at the front.

Speeds weren't incredible, but with only 202hp in race trim, that's not surprising - it's the rubber that made things exciting. With just three sets of tyres to cover each driver's pair of Spark-Renault SRT_01Es, the low rolling resistance 18-inch Michelins made for plenty of loose, dancing cars through the chicanes as drivers chased the throttle harder and harder, earlier and earlier. It's refreshing to see a single-seater that visibly moves around everywhere on the race track.

Well what else would be the safety car?
Well what else would be the safety car?
And for some reason, the concept of energy usage actually seemed appropriate compared to F1. It was interesting to gauge each driver's relative pace versus how much juice their cars were consuming, and therefore when they'd need to pit for a vehicle swap.

Maybe it's because this aspect is integral to electric racing, with the series designed to accommodate it from the start? In F1 it's an engineered afterthought in my opinion.

Swapsies
It threw up some interesting strategy calls, too. Do you use your allotted energy aggressively in the first phase of the race to attain track position on the tight confines of a city-based circuit, then protect it for the remainder after the pit stop car swap? Or do you drive to a consistent pace and play it conservatively, hoping some drivers will have used more energy earlier on and will have to turn the wick down towards the end of the race?

Well-drilled teams made time on the swap, too. Heidfeld, for example, scooped up a couple of places thanks to slick pit work, even with a mandatory minimum 30-second car change.

Rejoice, single seaters with attitude!
Rejoice, single seaters with attitude!
Like father like son?
And it was Heidfeld that was involved in the major incident in the race. Having made his way through from sixth on the grid - showing strong pace and an intelligent command of the energy available to him - he and leader Prost went into the last lap with broadly the same percentage of power left in their battery packs.

Heidfeld got a run going down the back straight and through the final flip-flop chicane. Carrying that speed through the fast turn 19, he closed up on Prost on the approach to the final corner of the race. Heidfeld went to the left, Prost checked his mirrors and, at the time, seemed to pull over right into the path of the German.

The clash broke Heidfeld's car's wishbones and sent him skittering down the inside and over the sausage kerb at the apex - which acted like a ramp and sent him airborne into the wall on the outside. A high-energy impact shown by the triple toe loop Heidfeld's car executed provided a first test for the SRT_01E that none of the drivers were hoping they'd have to go through.

On review, even commentator Dario Franchitti, reminded all too vividly of his own interaction with the catch fence, saw it as "Prost just swerved at him."

Simple circuit, great racing
Simple circuit, great racing
As I was on my smartphone, I took to Twitter straight after the race to gauge the reaction. Some immediately referenced Suzuka 89 where Prost senior allegedly swerved into the path of Senna well before his usual turning point. Some were more sympathetic.

Me? After more than 24 hours sitting on this fence, it's starting to become rather uncomfortable. Replay here to judge for yourself.

In Prost's defence, he was looking in his mirrors - potentially to defend the corner. He claims he was unsighted, but he seemed to move late relative to Heidfeld's attack and early relative to the apex.

Given Heidfeld and Prost actually race in the same LMP1 car for Rebellion in the WEC, it thankfully seems to have been smoothed over. Prost apologised and pleaded innocence, Heidfeld accepted.

Cicruit may be new but the lines aren't!
Cicruit may be new but the lines aren't!
Lucas di Grassi was Formula E's inaugural winner, then. Congratulations to him - and to Nelson Piquet Jr who, back on a street circuit, Singapore 2008 no doubt rattling around his head, managed to keep it out of the walls...

Back to the future
Race one was a success for Formula E in my book. Even the trackside microphones picked up just enough space age whooshing and whining from the drivetrains, sounding like a pack of gobbling turkeys on the overrun.

Whether it'll sustain interest remains to be seen, but on Goodwood Revival weekend showing how motorsport used to be done, that the future can still deliver entertainment is most definitely something to hold on to.

[Images: LAT]

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PtheP

Original Poster:

66 posts

140 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Heidfeld made progress in the car swap ...... eh? So that's how electric cars are going to catch on. You just buy half a dozen or so and leave them parked up and plugged in at various points along your route so as you can jump from one to t'other!

Didn't watch it apart from the replays of the last corner incident on the ITV news. No doubt in my mind that young Prost swerved into Heidfeld.

Agent Orange

2,194 posts

246 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Not sure I'd agree.

It's worth re-watching the video where he's looking right, right, right, right for Heidfeld but then turns left to take the corner and collect Nick. A mistake but not malicious.

Nico Prost (@nico_prost) tweeted at 2:16 pm on Sat, Sep 13, 2014:
I feel very bad about the incident and after looking at the videos I understand that I am responsible. I just did not see him, feel very bad
(https://twitter.com/nico_prost/status/510779085967351808)

Nick Heidfeld (@NickHeidfeld) tweeted at 3:56 pm on Sat, Sep 13, 2014:
@nico_prost Thx Nico.Know u and that u dont drive anybody of on purpose.st happens.Next week we fight together in Austin @RebellionRacing
(https://twitter.com/NickHeidfeld/status/510804184112046080)

Bloitus

110 posts

163 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Watched the entire thing and i'm still not sure about it! I really don't think that the circuit helped the spectacle. There was some great racing (mainly from Frank Montagne) but there was something lacking. The warmup lap was kinda pointless at the speed they were going and the noise while ok at first was just a bit annoying and reminded me of radio controlled cars buzzing around. One thing i hope isn't a feature at each round were the announcements over the tannoy combined with the background music at the circuit were just plain cheesy (wasn't just me that could hear that right?!)...It has potential and the driver lineup is really exciting but there are a few kinks to iron out.

Fire99

9,844 posts

229 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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The most interesting point to come from this article is just how different people's opinions can be.
I thought the race was a complete mess with utterly underwhelming cars being driven very slowly on a lash-up of a track.
The car changeover all but hit a giant 'pause' to the racing, especially with a minimum time being allowed during the 'car switch'.

Regarding Prost and Heidfeld, yes it was good that Prost smoothed it over post-race but his move was more than "a little early for the apex". It was a blatant, and very clumsy shoulder barge to defend against Heidfeld on the last corner of the race.

Then add a bit of 'fan-boost' into the mix where effectively a position could be decided by popularity rather than speed or ability, it generates a laughable racing series...

All in my opinion of course smile

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Someone on Twitter said if Heidfeld had won. It would have been his 1st win since 1999 in F3000.

That's tough to take.

Montagny was the driver of the day for me. He always seems to be lining someone else up to pass them.

sanctum

191 posts

175 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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"so it what is Formula E racing really like"

In the actual headline of the piece? come-on chaps, I know it's Monday, but still...

As for the race, I was really looking forward to it, but the quality of coverage let it down in the end. It just didn't electrify me the same way touring cars do (see what I did there).

The accident into the final corner was unfortunate and highly avoidable.
It was obvious to everyone where NH was going to be and I do mean everyone. If you watch the in camera footage from NP's car, he looks in his right mirror, sees no sign of NH, so doesn't need to look in his left, he then brakes incredibly early for the corner, NH is already lined up to take the inside, but NP turns left just after braking, this was always going to result in some form of coming together. It's unfortunate and I do not believe NP intended to cause an accident, or that there was any malice involved, he just wanted to protect his racing line, but had he moved over first, then braked, he would probably have crossed the line first.

Edited by sanctum on Monday 15th September 12:27

5RedLights

155 posts

127 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Very slow racing on a pretty boring, featureless track. The lack of speed was really telling on the long shot from the grandstand. I think the top speed I saw was around 100mph? Really not very impressive.

I just feel that given they can only use 202bhp during the race (isn't max power still only 270bhp?), each car can only last around 13 laps and top speeds are pretty poor, is it maybe just a bit too early for Formula E? Wouldn't another couple of years development be the best option?




Alex Langheck

835 posts

129 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Considering it’s a new series, Formula E got lots of media coverage; sadly at the expense of other series, which took place over the weekend.
WRC, DTM, ELMS…….Any thoughts on these?

Agent Orange

2,194 posts

246 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Munter said:
Someone on Twitter said if Heidfeld had won. It would have been his 1st win since 1999 in F3000.

That's tough to take.
One of the commentators said on Saturday that a Prost on pole was the first Prost since 1963 to take pole....

cidered77

1,624 posts

197 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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5RedLights said:
Very slow racing on a pretty boring, featureless track. The lack of speed was really telling on the long shot from the grandstand. I think the top speed I saw was around 100mph? Really not very impressive.

I just feel that given they can only use 202bhp during the race (isn't max power still only 270bhp?), each car can only last around 13 laps and top speeds are pretty poor, is it maybe just a bit too early for Formula E? Wouldn't another couple of years development be the best option?
they race on street circuits because on real circuits they just won't look fast enough - series organisers confirmed. They looked quick enough in the bends, and only on the straights did they look slower. The racing was good with plenty of passes - the circuit though I agree looked terrible.

"development" happens with competition, and next year teams can build their own motors if they want (with the caveat they have to then offer the same motor on sale to other competitors at the same price as the spec motor).

It has great drivers, racing is good, and is obviously appealing to a different fanbase rather than the more "traditional" fans of lower profile race series. More people interested in motorsport is a universally Good Thing, even though some of the gimmicks not to my taste.

It is likely to have crap looking street circuits, and look a little too slow- but that will improve with competition and development. Overall - give is 7/10 for first race, and 6/10 chance of surviving and being something big - vs. just fizzling out like A1GP...



Amateurish

7,718 posts

222 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Seems odd that an out-of-the-box Tesla S P85 would probably be faster than a "Formula E". Is 200 bhp and 28kwh the best they could do? It's not that much better than an i3!

nickboazracing

130 posts

237 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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I think the fact that the event took place, on time, without hitch, (GP2 brakes anyone), with a very strong driver line up (AutoGP anyone), with a full grid (british f3 anyone), and it hit domestic news bulletins means, to my mind, it was a great success.

The cars were never going to be quick, anyone thinking they would have been perhaps set themselves up for dissappointment.

How it is managed longer term will be the key. Lets hope a successful package isn't sold to a crook (A1GP anyone).

This had to start somehwere, somewhen, somehow. This was it, and hats off to all involed. Long may it continue!

cidered77

1,624 posts

197 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Alex Langheck said:
Considering it’s a new series, Formula E got lots of media coverage; sadly at the expense of other series, which took place over the weekend.
WRC, DTM, ELMS…….Any thoughts on these?
... as above though, they're also targeting new fans who haven't previously got into motorsport.

The twitter thing, the DJ, celebs on the grid, shorter races, social media profile, etc - all very different to more conventional formats.

FWIW - i watched the race last night, found it straight away on youtube and watched the whole broadcast. It had 145,000 views at the time - I sometimes watch TUSC sports car races from youtube also, they seem to get 4k - 10k views, and that's the "premier" US sports car series!

Havoc856

2,072 posts

179 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Not a fan of 'fan boost' nor the irritating noise the cars make - the latter unfortunately unavoidable.

However the racing was fairly good, if slow and the idea of mandatory 30 second pit stops doesn't make sense to me.. Ok it probably makes it more equal, but hey.

The tracks aren't exactly brilliant - although I'm interested to see what London will offer up.

Overall, I watched this, then V8 Supercars Sandown 500, thoroughly enjoying the latter. Would I have preferred to have DTM aired instead of FE? Yes.

The tech isn't mature enough, it's a bit slow and other than the run up to the crash.. boring.

But does it show promise? Yes, to me it does. Just give it a few years...

Edited by Havoc856 on Monday 15th September 12:54

MissChief

7,098 posts

168 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Amateurish said:
Seems odd that an out-of-the-box Tesla S P85 would probably be faster than a "Formula E". Is 200 bhp and 28kwh the best they could do? It's not that much better than an i3!
When you're going full throttle all the time I'd be surprised if the i3 would have managed a quarter of that distance?

cidered77

1,624 posts

197 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Havoc856 said:
Not a fan of 'fan boost' not the irritating noise.

However the racing was fairly good, if slow and the idea of mandatory 30 second pit stops doesn't make sense to me.. Ok it probably makes it more equal, but hey.

The tracks aren't exactly brilliant - although I'm interested to see what London will offer up.

Overall, I watched V8 Supercars Sandown 500, thoroughly enjoying it... Would I have preferred to have DTM aired instead of FE? Yes.

The tech isn't mature enough, it's a bit slow and other than the crash - boring.

But does it show promise? Yes, to me it does. Just give it a few years...
taking a driver out of one car, and into another and getting them strapped in, etc - sensible to not make that an area you can gain time in! I know they do it at Le Mans, but a lot of these teams run single seaters historically so won't have that experience. I prefer the minimum timeframe as with close racing, identical cars and short races it could basically come down to who sprints faster at the break. Better to focus it on the racing.

Of course you can still cock it up, think Prost came out *exactly* on the minimum time window, which gains him a little time

Havoc856

2,072 posts

179 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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cidered77 said:
taking a driver out of one car, and into another and getting them strapped in, etc - sensible to not make that an area you can gain time in! I know they do it at Le Mans, but a lot of these teams run single seaters historically so won't have that experience. I prefer the minimum timeframe as with close racing, identical cars and short races it could basically come down to who sprints faster at the break. Better to focus it on the racing.

Of course you can still cock it up, think Prost came out *exactly* on the minimum time window, which gains him a little time
A fair, well presented point here

Amateurish

7,718 posts

222 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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MissChief said:
Amateurish said:
Seems odd that an out-of-the-box Tesla S P85 would probably be faster than a "Formula E". Is 200 bhp and 28kwh the best they could do? It's not that much better than an i3!
When you're going full throttle all the time I'd be surprised if the i3 would have managed a quarter of that distance?
They only manage 25 miles on a charge (at an average speed of 60mph)! I reckon an i3 could manage that.

bakes

50 posts

228 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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The Heidfeld/Prost crash made headlines but if that hadn't happened I think it would have been a lot lighter on media coverage.
I was very quickly bored watching slow cars that sounded like Radio Controlled racers on a bland circuit with no spectators. An RC car is probably quicker.
Interesting to read the comment that Tesla produce quicker road cars.

It's a shame but I don't think it will last. Amazed it's attracted the driver lineup it has tbh

Hoonfest

141 posts

212 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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I found the whole thing quite underwhelming, the track, the noise, the speed and I was really looking forward to the race. The thought of more evenly matched cars full of some well known racing driviers was appealing indeed.

The noise was the biggest disappointment, it just sounded like some digital interference, most disappointing. As said perhaps a few more years it may be better, seems aimed at the younger Play Station generation to me.