Speeding whilst visiting UK

[bishbosh66]

Hi,
Done a bit of google fu, but was not able to find an exact answer, and so I hoped to get some accurate responses here.
During a recent visit to the UK, I was caught speeding (67mph in a 60mph zone). Fair cop, entirely my fault. I have a UK driving licence, but live abroad (Denmark). My details have been passed on by the owner of the car, but I was wondering what will be the outcome. I have a clean licence, so the addition of points does not worry me, but will I receive points, or just a letter telling me to pay a fine ? I have read about "ghost licences" at DVLA but I have a valid UK licence (I am not required to change my licence to a Danish one) Will I receive the fine or will the registered keeper of the vehicle receive it ?

[TooMany2cvs]

You've got a UK licence, so you must have a valid UK correspondence address, so your Danish residence is irrelevant. You'll be treated exactly the same as anybody else. NIP through post to licence address, then court/points/SAC depending.

[bishbosh66]

OK, will have to wait and see. The offer of a SAC is just that isn't it? I would rather take the points than have to fly to the UK to attend a one days course.

[Old Merc]

What is the address on your UK license? What ever it is the paper work will go there as far as I know.
A UK license holder speeding in the UK,your nicked.
My son has spent the last ten years living in Denmark and Holland, has a UK license,passport etc etc all with MY address on them.

[bishbosh66]

My UK licence has my parents address on it, so I am sure I will receive any paperwork in due course.

[Sheepshanks]

bishbosh66 said:

During a recent visit to the UK, I was caught speeding (67mph in a 60mph zone).

Are you sure it was 67 in a 60? That's (just) below the normal threshold of 68MPH for any action to be taken.

If it was 67 in a 50 then you won't be offered a speed awareness course. It'll be 3 points and £100 penalty.

Which county was the alleged offence in?

[TooMany2cvs]

bishbosh66 said:

The offer of a SAC is just that isn't it?

Yep. If you're offered an SAC, you can choose FPN (or court...) instead, if you want. No need to give a reason.

BTW, you _were_ insured on the car, right...?

[3Dee]

If you will be waiting for parents to relay the paperwork, please be careful as there is a fixed time for you to get your response back to them, otherwise you might be looking at more pain. Send any response by recorded or signed for... good idea methinks!

[mgtony]

Have people missed this part from the OP:
' My details have been passed on by the owner of the car.'
Depending on who the owner is, they would forward on the address they had for the OP. If it was a friend or colleagues car then that might be his address in Denmark. They wouldn't know what address was on his licence.

[Cooperman]

If the OP is not the registered keeper, then the keeper will get the S172 request and will name the OP as the driver, giving his foreign address. Then that will all go no-where so long as the keeper can prove the OP was driving. The OP might need to confirm that he was driving.
At 67 in a 60 they won't even issue an NIP

[LoonR1]

Scan the NIP showing the speed please, or the ticket or whatever you got.

[Vaud]

bishbosh66 said:

I have a valid UK licence (I am not required to change my licence to a Danish one)

https://lifeindenmark.borger.dk/Pages/Foreign-driving-licences.aspx?NavigationTaxonomyId=77c7d0b9-2133-4085-9ee5-d6d134fd8b28

Check carefully - do you spend more than 185 days in Denmark?

[Red Devil]

bishbosh66 said:

Hi,
Done a bit of google fu, but was not able to find an exact answer, and so I hoped to get some accurate responses here.
During a recent visit to the UK, I was caught speeding (67mph in a 60mph zone). Fair cop, entirely my fault. I have a UK driving licence, but live abroad (Denmark). My details have been passed on by the owner of the car, but I was wondering what will be the outcome. I have a clean licence, so the addition of points does not worry me, but will I receive points, or just a letter telling me to pay a fine ? I have read about "ghost licences" at DVLA but I have a valid UK licence (I am not required to change my licence to a Danish one) Will I receive the fine or will the registered keeper of the vehicle receive it ?

It depends entirely on exactly what details the RK provided in answer to the NoIP. If it was your UK address then that's where any correspondence will go and the process will follow the normal course as if you were normally resident in the UK. If you are offered a SAC instead of court you can opt to decline it and take the points instead. If it was your Danish one then the BiB may well make further enquiries. For starters were you insured on the car owner's policy? If not what other valid cover, if any, was in force? The RK could find themselves in trouble for a different offence from the one you are wanted for.
http://www.pattersonlaw.co.uk/news/1027/163/I-inte...

[caziques]

It all depends which address has been given.

If a UK one as per the address on your licence, matters will take their normal course.

If however a Danish one (as it should be), you can decide what to do if/when any correspondence turns up. Hopefully insurance is all OK, as enquiries will no doubt be made if a foreign address is given.

If a Danish address has been given, and the authorities aren't aware of your UK licence - you could decide to take no action. In which case a ghost licence will be created, with six points and a large fine - which would be very difficult to enforce.

Can you obtain a Danish licence easily?

[bishbosh66]

Thanks for the replies.
As my licence is an EU licence I am not legally required to change it for a Danish one, although I could if I wanted to (there is info on websites about changine, but this primarily applies to non-EU licences - I have been stopped by the police here in Denmark and there is no problem with me presenting a UK licence).
The RK has passed on my Danish address, I have not seen the paperwork that he received about the speeding offence, we have only talked about it over the phone. He had arranged cover for the car for the duration of my visit, so we are covered from that perspective.
The issue of a fine and the points is not a problem, and I accept it was my fault, I just didn't want the issue to get out of hand for the want of an address.

[mygoldfishbowl]

bishbosh66 said:

Thanks for the replies.
As my licence is an EU licence I am not legally required to change it for a Danish one, although I could if I wanted to (there is info on websites about changine, but this primarily applies to non-EU licences - I have been stopped by the police here in Denmark and there is no problem with me presenting a UK licence).
The RK has passed on my Danish address, I have not seen the paperwork that he received about the speeding offence, we have only talked about it over the phone. He had arranged cover for the car for the duration of my visit, so we are covered from that perspective.
The issue of a fine and the points is not a problem, and I accept it was my fault, I just didn't want the issue to get out of hand for the want of an address.

I know this doesn't help you in anyway but if/when you do get to see the paperwork it would be much appreciated if you could post a scan on here. Some people, including me, think it a bit unusual that you've received anything for for 67 in a 60. When you spoke to your friend did he indicate at all what the camera device was, or what location?

[caziques]

bishbosh66 said:

Thanks for the replies.
As my licence is an EU licence I am not legally required to change it for a Danish one, although I could if I wanted to (there is info on websites about changine, but this primarily applies to non-EU licences - I have been stopped by the police here in Denmark and there is no problem with me presenting a UK licence).
The RK has passed on my Danish address, I have not seen the paperwork that he received about the speeding offence, we have only talked about it over the phone. He had arranged cover for the car for the duration of my visit, so we are covered from that perspective.
The issue of a fine and the points is not a problem, and I accept it was my fault, I just didn't want the issue to get out of hand for the want of an address.

Useful. The police are going to be very suspicious of this story, so much so they may take their eye off the ball.

If paperwork makes it over to Denmark, you can decide to ignore it if you like to live dangerously (almost impossible to enforce), or simply pay up for an easy life.

[bishbosh66]

caziques said:

Useful. The police are going to be very suspicious of this story, so much so they may take their eye off the ball.

Why would the police be suspicious of this. It was a surprise event for my birthday, my friend owns a nice car, there had been arrangements made between him and my family for the surprise. It has taken the shine off what was a really rather nice weekend.

[Finlandia]

Vaud said:

bishbosh66 said:

I have a valid UK licence (I am not required to change my licence to a Danish one)

https://lifeindenmark.borger.dk/Pages/Foreign-driving-licences.aspx?NavigationTaxonomyId=77c7d0b9-2133-4085-9ee5-d6d134fd8b28

Check carefully - do you spend more than 185 days in Denmark?

From the link above:
If your driving licence was issued in the Faroe Islands or in an EU Member State or an EEA country, you need not exchange your driving licence.

[Sheepshanks]

bishbosh66 said:

Why would the police be suspicious of this.

..because it's an obvious thing to do when someone gets a speeding ticket and would rather avoid the penalty and points: "Oh dear - my friend from abroad was driving and now he's gone home".

Of course no-one knows how often that has been used and has worked, but the Police have pursued some cases. This is quite infamous http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/b... others have been jailed.