Colin McRae - 7 Years ago we lost a true Petrol Head.

Colin McRae - 7 Years ago we lost a true Petrol Head.

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LeeThr

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3,122 posts

171 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Just seen something that reminded me of this... 7 years ago to this day the motoring world lost a true icon.

R.I.P Colin.

Soov535

35,829 posts

271 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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We did indeed. A legend. But I must say that my memories of him are tainted by his having flown without a licence and therefore insurance, as well as not asking permission from the parents of the boy who was killed.

A genius, no doubt about it, but a catastrophically bad judgement which ended three lives as well as his own.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/sep/06/colin-mc...




Edited by Soov535 on Monday 15th September 16:29

LeeThr

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3,122 posts

171 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Very true, but then again that was always Colin's style, against the book, "if in doubt flat out". Unfortunately it just bit him in the end. And such a shame it was the way it was as well.

Soov535

35,829 posts

271 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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LeeThr said:
Very true, but then again that was always Colin's style, against the book, "if in doubt flat out". Unfortunately it just bit him in the end. And such a shame it was the way it was as well.
Sye, and let's face it we've all done things we shouldn't have in our excitement. There but for the grace of and all that.



monthefish

20,441 posts

231 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Soov535 said:
We did indeed. A legend. But I must say that my memories of him are tainted by his having flown without a licence and therefore insurance.

A genius, no doubt about it, but a catastrophically bad judgement which ended three lives as well as his own.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/sep/06/colin-mc...
This.

For me, all his greatness gets pushed aside when I think of the grief the Porcelli's had to deal with.

"Ben Porcelli's distraught parents, Mark and Karen Porcelli, said at the time that McRae had never asked permission to take their son on the flight"

surveyor

17,806 posts

184 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Soov535 said:
We did indeed. A legend. But I must say that my memories of him are tainted by his having flown without a licence and therefore insurance, as well as not asking permission from the parents of the boy who was killed.

A genius, no doubt about it, but a catastrophically bad judgement which ended three lives as well as his own.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/sep/06/colin-mc...




Edited by Soov535 on Monday 15th September 16:29
I don't think it was as bad as one might think, from reading your post. He did have a license, but it had timed out. A short flight would have sorted that out. It does not of course mean that he did not make some really bad decisions that day which led to his and his passengers deaths.

He always pushed to the nth degree. This time he pushed too far.

Sad.

numtumfutunch

4,717 posts

138 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Guardian said:
In a lengthy and damning ruling following a fatal accident inquiry into the crash, Stewart found that McRae, 39, was guilty of a series of dangerous, reckless and unjustified manoeuvres during the flight, including flying at very low level and failing to follow basic rules of airmanship.

She confirmed the driver, who became world famous for endorsing the hit computer racing games Colin McRae Rally and Dirt, did not have the correct flying licence or authorisation for operating that type of helicopter, and was flying illegally.
Doing the above with kids on board, and some posts here have a "there but for the grace of god" tilt to them?????????????



Ved

3,825 posts

175 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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As above. Great driver but that counts for little now.

J4CKO

41,443 posts

200 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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My thinking is what makes a great rally driver isn't what makes a great pilot, aviators need to be a bit anal, rally driving is about risk taking but flying a helicopter is about minimising as much of the inherent risk as possible, rally driving can be dangerous but rally cars fly at just a few feet, not several thousand. Aerial displays may look pretty dramatic but are carefully devised to remain as safe as possible, this just sounded like arsing about in a helicopter, showing off, the ultimate "Watch this moment".

I know a lot of people manage to own helicopters safely but it is scary how often we hear of someone coming to grief with one, even professionally flown ones like the Police one in Glasgow do, perhaps one thing to resist buying if your numbers come up (on the Euro lottery).






Soov535

35,829 posts

271 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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J4CKO said:
My thinking is what makes a great rally driver isn't what makes a great pilot, aviators need to be a bit anal, rally driving is about risk taking but flying a helicopter is about minimising as much of the inherent risk as possible, rally driving can be dangerous but rally cars fly at just a few feet, not several thousand. Aerial displays may look pretty dramatic but are carefully devised to remain as safe as possible, this just sounded like arsing about in a helicopter, showing off, the ultimate "Watch this moment".

I know a lot of people manage to own helicopters safely but it is scary how often we hear of someone coming to grief with one, even professionally flown ones like the Police one in Glasgow do, perhaps one thing to resist buying if your numbers come up (on the Euro lottery).
I must admit, helis are the one thing which I am actually scared of flying in.

Leins

9,453 posts

148 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Can't believe it'll soon be 14 years since the death of Ulster rally icon Bertie Fisher, also in a helicopter crash that sadly took the lives of his son and daughter too



CO2000

3,177 posts

209 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Add Steve Hislop to the heli list too.....frown

J4CKO

41,443 posts

200 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Kind of confirms my theory that helicopters evolved as wealthy people tended to get good medical care, healthy food and other protection, therefore they didn't have any natural predators, so a big, complex, unstable, whirly thing that doesn't glide when it conks out was invented to provide a way to keep the numbers of rich people down.

I don't mind planes flying over (good job near Manchester Aiport), but a few locals seem to have choppers and the Police one occasionally makes an appearance, seriously, just ps off with it !



http://www.ranker.com/list/famous-people-who-died-...


V8Ford

2,675 posts

166 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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A waste of four lives, which could have easily been avoided.
My uncle does a bit of flying (inc. aerobatics), behind the wheel he's a bit of a thrill seeker but once he's in an aircraft it's strictly by the book. Although I think that's more because he'd hate to lose his licence to fly more than anything.

Matt UK

17,681 posts

200 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRsmQUHFuM

Plenty of other vids available.

Baryonyx

17,994 posts

159 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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He was a hero and a fantastic driver who made a bad mistake and paid dearly for it. What a shame we don't yet see past the final tragedy to reflect on a lifetime of inspiration and sporting glory.

nickfrog

21,056 posts

217 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Not sure how anyone could ever see past it...

It wasn't just a bad mistake. It was a totally unforgivable decision. IMO of course.

Any (limited) rallying success ranks very lowly compared to the easily avoidable loss of a kid.

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,910 posts

216 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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J4CKO said:
doesn't glide when it conks out
Showing your lack of knowledge there wink



DeolTheBeast

449 posts

146 months

Monday 15th September 2014
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Legend

k-ink

9,070 posts

179 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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monthefish said:
This.

For me, all his greatness gets pushed aside when I think of the grief the Porcelli's had to deal with.

"Ben Porcelli's distraught parents, Mark and Karen Porcelli, said at the time that McRae had never asked permission to take their son on the flight"
That is deeply shocking. I never read the finer details back at the time of the incident.