I need a track....

[dapearson]

I give up. You're not listening to me. I never mentioned corners. Just that when carrying the same speed onto the straights as the instructors, we were then having to lift because the CBFs had less top end.

I never said anymore than that. I don't claim to be any good. You're implying that i believe i am.

Forget it. There is no arguing with stupidity.

Last post on BB.

Shame

[LoonR1]

dapearson said:

I give up. You're not listening to me. I never mentioned corners. Just that when carrying the same speed onto the straights as the instructors, we were then having to lift because the CBFs had less top end.

I never said anymore than that. I don't claim to be any good. You're implying that i believe i am.

Forget it. There is no arguing with stupidity.

Last post on BB.

Shame

You big cry baby. You suggested that because the instructors were on CBF1000s that they were somehow at a disadvantage to you on the CBR600RRs. I pointed out that that is complete bks. There is no logic to what you posted and no substance to it at all. The instructor will have been controlling your speed ahead of the next corner, rather than having it "pinned"

[dapearson]

LoonR1 said:

dapearson said:

I give up. You're not listening to me. I never mentioned corners. Just that when carrying the same speed onto the straights as the instructors, we were then having to lift because the CBFs had less top end.

I never said anymore than that. I don't claim to be any good. You're implying that i believe i am.

Forget it. There is no arguing with stupidity.

Last post on BB.

Shame

You big cry baby. You suggested that because the instructors were on CBF1000s that they were somehow at a disadvantage to you on the CBR600RRs. I pointed out that that is complete bks. There is no logic to what you posted and no substance to it at all. The instructor will have been controlling your speed ahead of the next corner, rather than having it "pinned"

I can't let that go.

No i fking didn't!!!!!!!!!!!

It's s like you that ruin forums like this.

Someone asked about what those days are like. I made a few points. That's all. I never claimed to be any good!!!!

Aarrgghhh!!!

[LoonR1]

dapearson said:

LoonR1 said:

dapearson said:

I give up. You're not listening to me. I never mentioned corners. Just that when carrying the same speed onto the straights as the instructors, we were then having to lift because the CBFs had less top end.

I never said anymore than that. I don't claim to be any good. You're implying that i believe i am.

Forget it. There is no arguing with stupidity.

Last post on BB.

Shame

You big cry baby. You suggested that because the instructors were on CBF1000s that they were somehow at a disadvantage to you on the CBR600RRs. I pointed out that that is complete bks. There is no logic to what you posted and no substance to it at all. The instructor will have been controlling your speed ahead of the next corner, rather than having it "pinned"

I can't let that go.

No i fking didn't!!!!!!!!!!!

It's s like you that ruin forums like this.

Someone asked about what those days are like. I made a few points. That's all. I never claimed to be any good!!!!

Aarrgghhh!!!

1. You said you got your kneedown, so you think are good. You even used the words "finally"
2. You said the instructor was holding you back
3. You said the CBF1000 didn't have the legs, which suggests you think you can outride it. You can't.
4. You blame the instructor for you falling off.
5. He clearly said he was regulating your speed so he wasn't pinning the Cbf1000

Finally, come along to a race anytime or a trackday and call me a to my face.

dapearson said:

I did the RH school for the same reasons. Got a nice bike i didn't want to ruin/risk, same for my gear. It was a great way to learn. Got my knees down (finally).

However the instructor did keep us back at times. I was pushing hard and he kept slowing down on the apexes. At one point i was juuuuust leaning it nicely over, steady throttle just about to accelerate out when he parked his bike right in front of me. I rolled sharply off the throttle, lost the front and that was the end of my day.

Spoke to him afterwards and he said he was trying to slow us down.

Maybe i was leaning it over too far in an attempt to get my knee down. But i definitely had to take action a few times to avoid running into the back of him.

And they use CBF1000s, which don't quite have the legs of the 600RRs down the straights.

[mitzy]

OP
Stop being a fanny
Buy some second hand eBay leathers
If ur tubby u have a set you can buy I off me!
Get you own bike on track
Novice group
No limits
Free instruction
And man up !

[Hooli]

mitzy said:

OP
Stop being a fanny
Buy some second hand eBay leathers
If ur tubby u have a set you can buy I off me!
Get you own bike on track
Novice group
No limits
Free instruction
And man up !

You do know his own bike is a ST1300? I'd love to see one ridden well on track for the laugh, but I doubt it'd feel at home there.

[Fleegle]

Hooli said:

You do know his own bike is a ST1300? I'd love to see one ridden well on track for the laugh, but I doubt it'd feel at home there.

I'd love to see one well ridden on the road

[v60marko]

Hooli said:

mitzy said:

OP
Stop being a fanny
Buy some second hand eBay leathers
If ur tubby u have a set you can buy I off me!
Get you own bike on track
Novice group
No limits
Free instruction
And man up !

You do know his own bike is a ST1300? I'd love to see one ridden well on track for the laugh, but I doubt it'd feel at home there.

I was just going to say, looks like the OP rides a Pan European, not the kind of thing you would associate with track riding. Having said that, last track day I did there was a private group on before mine, the guy who organised it was riding exactly that. He wasn't holding back either!

[Wedg1e]

Fleegle said:

I'd love to see one well ridden on the road

Yeah, my mates say that of me on mine as well

[RemaL]

BigHeartedTone said:

RemaL said:

Chances of binning it on track is less than on the road.

Sorry I really disagree with this. It depends on the individual of course.

Well that's a little obvious but i'm not on about the individual. I have not idea on stats but more die on the roads and you have much less to go wrong on the track. No lamp post, car over taking on a corner, crap on the road, poor road surface etc..

that was what i was thinking more of myself

[mad4amanda]

dapearson said:

I did the RH school for the same reasons. Got a nice bike i didn't want to ruin/risk, same for my gear. It was a great way to learn. Got my knees down (finally).

However the instructor did keep us back at times. I was pushing hard and he kept slowing down on the apexes. At one point i was juuuuust leaning it nicely over, steady throttle just about to accelerate out when he parked his bike right in front of me. I rolled sharply off the throttle, lost the front and that was the end of my day.

Spoke to him afterwards and he said he was trying to slow us down.

Maybe i was leaning it over too far in an attempt to get my knee down. But i definitely had to take action a few times to avoid running into the back of him.

And they use CBF1000s, which don't quite have the legs of the 600RRs down the straights.

The trouble is as a novice (at anything in this case bike track riding) You don`t know what you don`t know. The instructors I work with very rarely will be riding at anything near their top speed but instead will do what they are paid to do.
They observe the clients riding and work out what they can do to help the client improve often body position and relaxation as much as reading the track and lines.

Whilst out on track they will look out for:
Those so terrified to be on track that they literally ride as a solid lump not seemingly able to move.
Those so desperate to get their knee down that they are leaning way too far and lose the bike from under them.
Those trying to carry too much speed through corners without the lines and approach that are risking running wide into gravel and or the barrier. Or at times unable to slow down and taking out a slower but better riding client on the corner oblivious to what just hit them.
Those riding gods who think its ok just to carve through a group of riders or dive up the inside on a corner because they have a quicker bike/no self preservation skills only to find the instructor riding round the outside of them and signalling them to follow me!
Those doing a Damon and Benny; You know like Damon Hill down the straights and Benny Hill in the corners, most unsettling to follow them when they sit up and slam on the brakes.

I can only recall 1 occasion in 10 years where the instructors went out for a play and rode to the limit, I also recall they were brought in and told by the TDO what was expected of them and what they needed to do if they wished to be paid for the day and wanted further work.

So sad to say the instructor was out there doing his job therefore he was undoubtedly riding nowhere near his limit and so yes a 600 caught up a 1000, so what!

To the OP a Pan isn`t the ideal track toy especially when you start to wear through the panniers I would recommend as others have a No Limits track day with a hire bike and plenty of 121 instruction they may have leathers to hire too. The CSS experience appears to work well with novice riders from what I have seen working with them you can see clients gaining confidence throughout the day and improving . MSVT run very good for Novice days with enhanced briefing and classroom sessions on bike positioning and riding position for free and 121 instruction they also have a couple of hire companies that will supply bikes.
An interesting development on the MSVT side is that they are soon to run Open pit lane days again for intermediate and above riders which should be an ideal basis for 121 instructor work .

[Biker's Nemesis]

LoonR1 said:

Finally, come along to a race anytime or a trackday and call me a to my face.

Call you a what?

[LoonR1]

Call me a "censored smiley" word

[CAPP0]

I have done a few RH days, some years back now, we used to use them as tune-up sessions in the spring before summer TDs. I could add a lot more comment and input but I won't bother because the thread has already degenerated into the oh-so-boring standard-issue PH handbags session and I'll only find that at least one poster here will clearly have been following me around the track in his private helicopter on that day, or at least must have been as he is so capable of arguing with every word I say.

[Biker's Nemesis]

LoonR1 said:

Call me a "censored smiley" word

Youll have to narrow it down, I know loads of swear words

[dibblecorse]

I think the OP has given up on his thread .....

[fergus]

dibblecorse said:

Do CSS at Laguna, I did my Levels 3 & 4 there, its awesome for it.

When in Oz do a trackday at Phillip Island, they used to be run by CSS but not sure they are anymore, either way its a good circuit but not as good as Laguna ..... you can rent a bike and all the it there through the organisers direct.

I've historically done CSS 1&2, but after doing a few 1:1 days with Simon Crafar (moto vudu), he throws most of what CSS teach in the bin, and the extra speed becomes evident. He got me down to 1.47s at Cartagena very quickly.

[moanthebairns]

dibblecorse said:

I think the OP has given up on his thread .....

So to summarise, the Ron day is ideal for the op as he has no gear nor a track suited bike.

It is essentially a “track experience” voucher that you will inevitably get at some point in your adult life as a present, because you once expressed an interest in cars or motorbikes.

It will follow a similar structure of the experience days, full of track virgins. The meeting room will be full of petrified faces, more so if it’s wet, everyone will be talking about how nervous they are. Reassurance will be given, one will go from slow as fk to just slow in the space of 3 sessions.

The instructor will issue kind words and comment on the positives, the rider will think he nailed it and tell his colleagues and friends for weeks that he once did a track day and how much he was on it.

He may return next year not fancying the financially crippling world that is track riding or he may go out on track after and realise just how st he was when he is flung in the fast group...

None of the above is of course a bad thing. We all remember our first few session on track and have blinkered views of how good we were. It's only when you ride with those far above your level you think, im st.

[dibblecorse]

fergus said:

dibblecorse said:

Do CSS at Laguna, I did my Levels 3 & 4 there, its awesome for it.

When in Oz do a trackday at Phillip Island, they used to be run by CSS but not sure they are anymore, either way its a good circuit but not as good as Laguna ..... you can rent a bike and all the it there through the organisers direct.

I've historically done CSS 1&2, but after doing a few 1:1 days with Simon Crafar (moto vudu), he throws most of what CSS teach in the bin, and the extra speed becomes evident. He got me down to 1.47s at Cartagena very quickly.

Reckon he could get me down to 1.47 at Brands Indy

Have met him a few times, not used him but friends that have have all said really good things.

[creampuff]

dibblecorse said:

I think the OP has given up on his thread .....

No, I'm reading it this morning through the bleary eyes of a hangover

I had to stop on the way to the office for an emergency English breakfast; thought I wasn't going to make it.