RE: Audi TT Ultra and Sport: Driven
Discussion
ORD said:
Would it be on a company car policy? If so, all this makes perfect sense.
No unfortunately we don't get one where I work. I'm a private buyer, I just like to have a new car with warranty and no hassles. I just spend my savings buying which only leaves wages for the running cost. I could buy older and keep savings for the running but I guess I just prioritise a new car over an older one (been bitten with big bills before). chedixon said:
No unfortunately we don't get one where I work. I'm a private buyer, I just like to have a new car with warranty and no hassles. I just spend my savings buying which only leaves wages for the running cost. I could buy older and keep savings for the running but I guess I just prioritise a new car over an older one (been bitten with big bills before).
Let me put it this way:You might get a big bill or two with a used car but in the vast majority of cases will pay less total.
You'll probably have to pay out more total with a new car...and even then, you might still get a bill that isn't covered under warranty (manufacturers love to wiggle out of paying if they can).
- Been there, done that. Now, I would only buy new if the car was truly exceptional or if I had more money than I could spend.
Without wanting to start a whole new argument, I have to say I've never really understood the "avoidance of repair bills" argument for buying a new car. It would be exceptionally difficult to spend more on repairing a car than the depreciation cost of most new cars. I mean £10k over 3 years on repair bills!? I've been driving for 13 years and I don't think I've spent that much yet on all the 20-odd 2nd hand cars I've ever owned put together.
On the TT topic; same as last thread really...whether or not it's a good sportscar depends on how you define sportscar. By my definition it's most certainly not, but I think my definition would differ from the vast majority of people's. In fact the TT is probably about as far from my definition as a car calling itself a sportscar could get but that doesn't mean it's not good for other people. Likewise I suspect my car choices would be massively unappealing to someone who would buy a new TT...just different types of folk, not right or wrong per se.
On the TT topic; same as last thread really...whether or not it's a good sportscar depends on how you define sportscar. By my definition it's most certainly not, but I think my definition would differ from the vast majority of people's. In fact the TT is probably about as far from my definition as a car calling itself a sportscar could get but that doesn't mean it's not good for other people. Likewise I suspect my car choices would be massively unappealing to someone who would buy a new TT...just different types of folk, not right or wrong per se.
Most people don't buy cars, they lease/borrow them.
A lot of people like FIXED monthly payments so they know exactly where they stand. New cars ARE less likely to cause hassle and break down, and people are often willing to pay a bit more to get something in the colour and spec they like, which is under warranty so they won't pay any more than expected, and that is totally for enough in my opinion
A lot of people like FIXED monthly payments so they know exactly where they stand. New cars ARE less likely to cause hassle and break down, and people are often willing to pay a bit more to get something in the colour and spec they like, which is under warranty so they won't pay any more than expected, and that is totally for enough in my opinion
Still feels like just incredibly bad value to me but I'm coming from an almost autistically logical point of view here My 21 year old MX5 has broken down once in 3 years/40,000 miles/numerous trackdays and that was a CAS that I replaced for £40. Some of my friends are "new car every few years" people and I just think, jesus, car ownership is just so much more expensive for them than it is for me, and to what benefit?
T0MMY said:
otolith said:
Keeping the price of old cars down?
Oh I am grateful for that, but I meant what benefit to them.If you've spent £40 in 3 years you're far more fortunate than my mate with a 15 year old mx5 who had to spend over £1k in a year and it still needed rust sorting.
If you genuinely can't understand WHY people would want a new car you're being daft. Whether those reasons are for you or not is another matter.... They aren't for me (hence I bought a £5k V8 barge), but I wholly understand and appreciate why people choose new cars.
Do you buy (or lease) a brand new mobile phone, or did you get a 2nd hand one, out of question? Television? What about your clothes and underwear? If brand new, why did you do that?
ORD said:
I think it is really as simple as this (sadly):-
£27k sounds like a lot of money;
£10,800 to rent a car for 3 years sounds like a lot of money;
£3,600 pounds per year sounds like quite a lot money;
£300 pounds per month doesnt sound like much money;
£10 per day sounds like nothing.
Excellent !£27k sounds like a lot of money;
£10,800 to rent a car for 3 years sounds like a lot of money;
£3,600 pounds per year sounds like quite a lot money;
£300 pounds per month doesnt sound like much money;
£10 per day sounds like nothing.
E65Ross said:
T0MMY said:
otolith said:
Keeping the price of old cars down?
Oh I am grateful for that, but I meant what benefit to them.If you've spent £40 in 3 years you're far more fortunate than my mate with a 15 year old mx5 who had to spend over £1k in a year and it still needed rust sorting.
If you genuinely can't understand WHY people would want a new car you're being daft. Whether those reasons are for you or not is another matter.... They aren't for me (hence I bought a £5k V8 barge), but I wholly understand and appreciate why people choose new cars.
Do you buy (or lease) a brand new mobile phone, or did you get a 2nd hand one, out of question? Television? What about your clothes and underwear? If brand new, why did you do that?
I suspect some leasers are consciously aware of the long term costs of the choice but most are not. To be honest, I doubt the average cash buyer really understands the long term costs of running their car, either. In my experience it's a rather uniquely PH thing to do to work out total running costs.
E65Ross said:
They have a car that is the exact spec and colour scheme they want; it hasn't been farted in by 5 previous owners; it's under warranty; it's going to have more creature comforts which they may value a lot more than you; maybe they like the idea of decent fuel economy and fixed payments each month so they know exactly where they stand.
If you've spent £40 in 3 years you're far more fortunate than my mate with a 15 year old mx5 who had to spend over £1k in a year and it still needed rust sorting.
If you genuinely can't understand WHY people would want a new car you're being daft. Whether those reasons are for you or not is another matter.... They aren't for me (hence I bought a £5k V8 barge), but I wholly understand and appreciate why people choose new cars.
Do you buy (or lease) a brand new mobile phone, or did you get a 2nd hand one, out of question? Television? What about your clothes and underwear? If brand new, why did you do that?
Well I did say I was being logical and objective. If you had said people buy new cars because they're new and shiny I wouldn't have disagreed at all, I simply didn't agree to the practical proposition about saving cost and fixed monthly payments. I mean it's interesting that you put forward your mate's exmple as the high cost of running an old car and yet £1000 in a year would be phenomenally low in depreciation terms. As for TVs, clothes and underwear, those things are so cheap it's not worth buying second hand anyway. My TV was £150...if I was the kind of person that wanted a £4000 HD tv that filled their entire wall I may well be tempted to look second hand to be honest.If you've spent £40 in 3 years you're far more fortunate than my mate with a 15 year old mx5 who had to spend over £1k in a year and it still needed rust sorting.
If you genuinely can't understand WHY people would want a new car you're being daft. Whether those reasons are for you or not is another matter.... They aren't for me (hence I bought a £5k V8 barge), but I wholly understand and appreciate why people choose new cars.
Do you buy (or lease) a brand new mobile phone, or did you get a 2nd hand one, out of question? Television? What about your clothes and underwear? If brand new, why did you do that?
You probably assume I live like a hobo...the fact is by not caring about image I have a selection of vehicles that I don't think could be bettered in the "fun" stakes by spending any amount of money anyway. My neighbour tells me he's jealous as hell about it and yet runs 2 rubbish new cars that cost far more than all mine combined.
Edited by T0MMY on Thursday 18th September 19:21
kambites said:
I suspect some leasers are consciously aware of the long term costs of the choice but most are not. To be honest, I doubt the average cash buyer really understands the long term costs of running their car, either. In my experience it's a rather uniquely PH thing to do to work out total running costs.
Not sure. I, for one, know exactly how much our cars cost us per mile, but I am bit weird. And the new one is ridiculously cheap to run btw. The QQ will have cost pessimistically £150/month worth of depreciation over 3 years. Really not worth bothering with second hand. Buy cash at a stupid discount from a broker, which few people do so the impact on residuals is minimum. Job done. IME at least.Clivey said:
I can understand that. - If I had to do lots of work mileage, I'd consider one. The auto 'box suits the diesels perfectly and only thing I dislike, but could live with, is the parking brake arrangement.
What are the trim levels in Germany? Here, we have/had the SE (base), the Elegance, with the traditional grille, non-sports suspension and wood interior and the Sport, with the 3-pointed star in the middle of the grille, large wheels and other sports addenda but nice, supportive seats and interior trim to suit those under 50.
Similar, just that you can spec. any option under the sun if you are willing to pay and many options are individualized rather than in package form. For the W204 it was a choice of Avant-garde or Elegance, the latter being the classic luxo option. We've got the AG with the AMG sport pack, which sharpens the rack and provides sport suspension, seats, cosmetics/AMG wheels. The AMG suspension set up is much sharper, but perhaps not ideal for UK roads.What are the trim levels in Germany? Here, we have/had the SE (base), the Elegance, with the traditional grille, non-sports suspension and wood interior and the Sport, with the 3-pointed star in the middle of the grille, large wheels and other sports addenda but nice, supportive seats and interior trim to suit those under 50.
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